Princess Estelle; News & Pictures Part 1 (April 2012 - )

[Vizier]

Sorry if this has been covered on one of the very long threads, but when did children born to a Princess start getting royal titles in Sweden? Traditionally even in most monarchies that allowed women to succeed to the throne children of a woman who was not the sovereign or married to him were not automatically titled. This is true in the UK and in Spain, for instance. George VI had to make Charles a Prince by decree, b/c he wouldn't inherit any title from his mother and wouldn't inherit a princely British title from his father. I think in Holland the child/ren of a princess were given titles by the queen, but it wasn't an automatic thing.

[Noble Consort Ming]

I am assuming it is since Sweden has gone over to equal primogeniture. In this case Victoria's children are treated no differently than if she had been a prince. For example, Crown Prince Frederick of Denmark's children are princes and princesses so there is no reason why the Swedish crown princess' children wouldn't also have such titles.

Nowadays in countries with equal primogeniture it's not just about women being able to succeed(in the absence of a male heir) it's about them being on equal footing with men.

[Meraude]

As far as I know it's the king who decides what title members of the royal family shall have, and I would say that it's first when princess Madeleine gets her first child we will really know whether a child inherits the title of prince/ss from the mother or not.

[Noble Consort Ming]

Perhaps as in Denmark the children of Carl and Madeleine will be HH only and not HRH. In fact I wonder if any other children Victoria has will be HRH or HH. In Norway Prince Sverre Magnus is HH unlike his sister who is HRH(and if I'm understanding correctly the HH is only used in English while he is only called prince in Norway).

[Josefine]

when is the next time we will see estelle, i think at victorias birthday july 14th maybe when victoria is celebrated at Soliden or family photos at soliden

[Meraude]

Originally Posted by Noble Consort Ming

Perhaps as in Denmark the children of Carl and Madeleine will be HH only and not HRH. In fact I wonder if any other children Victoria has will be HRH or HH. In Norway Prince Sverre Magnus is HH unlike his sister who is HRH(and if I'm understanding correctly the HH is only used in English while he is only called prince in Norway).

As far as I know the title HH doesn't exist in Sweden, and I doubt the king has the right to create it, so the children of Carl Philip and Madelene will either have the title of HRH or no title at all. I think it's the same in Norway, that's why Sverre Magnus have no title in Norway/Norwegian but he and his aunt and grandaunts have the courtesy title HH in English.

[Meraude]

Originally Posted by Josefine

when is the next time we will see estelle, i think at victorias birthday july 14th maybe when victoria is celebrated at Soliden or family photos at soliden

I guess that there could be either photos or a balcony appearance at the Swedish National Day on June 6th, and perhaps a short appearance at Victoria's birthday in the morning at Solliden, but I doubt she will take part in the afternoon celebrations at Skansen and on Öland.

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by Meraude

I guess that there could be either photos or a balcony appearance at the Swedish National Day on June 6th, and perhaps a short appearance at Victoria's birthday in the morning at Solliden, but I doubt she will take part in the afternoon celebrations at Skansen and on Öland.

i dont think there is a belcony apperence at nainalday-
i were thinking the one event at the morning for victorias day

[corazon]

Originally Posted by LadyFinn

Photos from 2nd May, when Victoria and Estelle were at the Park with Victoria's friend Caroline Nilsson and her children. One photo already seen, one new.
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8909/vicvappu1.jpg
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/9571/vicvappu2.jpg

Ebba von Sydow's TV-program "Det kungliga dopet", "The royal baptism", it lasts an hour
Det kungliga dopet | SVT Play

omg! beautiful and sweet victoria with her baby!
she is very natural and relax. I so surprise because we can see estelle so many times since her birth to her christening. I am fan of the british monarchy and with they royal babies is rare the time we can see since the birth to the christening, the only one I remember was eugenie.

[Artemisia]

As coffeeclaws kindly posted in the Christening thread, the Court has finally released official pictures.

- The Crown Princely Family with the Godparents
- The Crown Princely Family with the Grandparents
- The Crown Princely Family

- The King and Princess Estelle
- Three generations of Monarchs (current and future)

De officiella dopbilderna - Sveriges Kungahus [NS4 version]

[Josefine]

i love that sweden does these generation photos, have we seen them in any other royal family?

[Artemisia]

Originally Posted by Josefine

i love that sweden does these generation photos, have we seen them in any other royal family?

Quite a few of them, actually. Such group pictures have a very high historic value and symbolise continuity.

Britain:
- Three generations (Queen Elizabeth, Prince Charles, Prince William)
- Four generations 1 (Queen Victoria, future Edward VII, future George V, and future Edward VIII - later The Duke of Windsor)
- Four generations 2 (Queen Victoria, future Edward VII, future George V, and future Edward VIII - later, the Duke of Windsor)

Denmark:
- Three generations (Queen Margrethe, Crown Prince Frederik, Prince Christian)

Spain:
- Three generations (King Juan Carlos, Prince Felipe, Infanta Leonor)

Norway:
- Three generations (King Harald, Crown Prince Haakon, Princess Ingrid Alexandra)

[kathia_sophia]

^yes, and the official royal site of Belgium has a picture in the top bar of King Albert, Prince Phillippe and Princess Elisabeth in the garden.

[Kit]

I have to post my favourite generation picture here even if it is a little off topic:
Austria-Hungary in 1915: Emperor Franz Joseph I. with little Otto :-)

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8133/ottokaiserfj.jpg

[ricarda]

Originally Posted by Artemisia

Quite a few of them, actually. Such group pictures have a very high historic value and symbolise continuity.

Denmark:
- Three generations (Queen Margrethe, Crown Prince Frederik, Prince Christian)

I also remember a 3 generation photograph which was nicer than this rather cartoonish painting. Christian was still a baby and sitting on his father's arm.

The christening photos are beautiful - as was the christening. They all look very happy, even the king despite his "I am the monarch" face. Perhaps they knew there would be a strong colour in the background (love that tone of red) and therefore all dressed in light colours which don't clash?

[Artemisia]

Originally Posted by ricarda

I also remember a 3 generation photograph which was nicer than this rather cartoonish painting. Christian was still a baby and sitting on his father's arm.

You probably mean this picture.
I agree it's lovely, but I do like the portrait as well.

Originally Posted by Kit

I have to post my favourite generation picture here even if it is a little off topic:
Austria-Hungary in 1915: Emperor Franz Joseph I. with little Otto :-)
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8133/ottokaiserfj.jpg

I've always loved that portrait.
As long as Archduke Otto was alive, it felt like there was some special link to a bygone era, era of an Austrian Empire.


Really, really sorry for going off-topic!

[Kit]

I've always loved that portrait.
As long as Archduke Otto was alive, it felt like there was some special link to a bygone era, era of an Austrian Empire.

I agree wholeheartedly! To think that with Otto the - presumably - last person has died who knew Franz Joseph personally .....

[LadyFinn]

According to this blog, Daniel has been seen jogging with Estelle at Haga Park, Estelle at a jogging stroller, no photos to be seen.
Nya kungliga vrålåket « Trend o Träning

[Bine221]

I hope, we will see some Sollinden Summer photos with Estelle. This has always been "tradition" at the King and Queen, "showing" family life, while the kids were young. I hope that CPSS Victoria will continue this tradition.
BYe Bine

[Carminha Stalker]

Those Christening official pictures are magnificent. I loved them all, especially the one with the King and his little granddaughter. This child is precious and has such alert eyes for her young age.