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Old 05-24-2010, 03:24 AM
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Looking around the royal courts site I found this:

We would like to welcome representatives from the media to an information briefing about the Royal Court's preparations ahead of The Crown Princess Couple's imminent wedding on Saturday 19 June.

The briefing will be attended by:
Nina Eldh, Director of the Information and Press Department
Håkan Pettersson, Wedding Coordinator
Lars-Hjalmar Wide, First Marshal of the Court
Carin Bergström, Director of the Royal Collections
Lars-Göran Lönnermark, Chaplain to The King
Göran Alm, Head of the Bernadotte Library

Claes Jernaeus, Head of the Ministry for Foreign Affairs Press Centre, will also be attending.

WHEN: Monday 24 May,10.00 a .m.

Link I got it from in case you want to see: Two briefings with different information on the Royal Court's wedding preparations - Sveriges Kungahus [NS4 version]


Now I know its a to early to start asking, but maybe someone can keep an eye out to see what, if any news about this meeting pops up.
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Old 05-24-2010, 07:12 AM
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Crown Princess Victoria works very hard for her country and if she can't have her perfect wedding, the one day in her life where she is marrying the love of her life, then I think that is very sad indeed.

It is her day. So much of her time is devoted to the country then surely she should be allowed the happiness of being escorted down the aisle by her dad
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I agree. To the best of my knowledge, the Swedish Lutheran Church is not like the Church of England, where the head of state is also the head of the church. Meaning, if Victoria chooses to walk down the aisle on her father's arm rather than Daniel's, she's not violating religious tenets by doing so and neither is her father. If it was written down somewhere that Carl Gustaf is head of the Swedish Lutheran Church and as such, part of Church doctrine is that the bride walks down the aisle with the groom, then yes.....they would be violating that. However I haven't seen anyone here, Swedish or otherwise, say that. Therefore, the fact the archbishop and priests are getting involved is rather ridiculous, to say the least.

As someone else pointed out, it's not common in the Bernadotte family for the bride to walk down the aisle with the groom. More times than not, the bride is escorted down the aisle by their father or another family member if the father is not alive. I know two of the King's sisters were walked down the aisle by their uncle as their father died when they were young. So if Victoria chooses to have her father walk her down the aisle, that's her family's tradition she is going with -- not necessarily what other brides in Sweden would do.
There are only 4 people in Sweden that are required by law to belong to the Swedish Lutheran church, one of them is Victoria as the heiress. (The others monarch and spouse, heir(ess)'s spouse) So while the monarch is not the Head of the Lutheran church they are required to members of that church.

Keeping that in mind the Archbishop that is the Head of the church said he was being critical as Victoria is well aware of the church's teachings on equality and marriage. Therefore they have the tradition of both the bride and groom walking together as equals into the church. The Swedish Lutheran church was one of the first churches to ordain women and a female bishop will be one of the bishops officiating at Victoria's wedding.

If one chooses to marry in a religious ceremony in a particular church, temple, synagogue, mosque, then I believe one must be prepared to follow the tenets and traditions of that particular faith. Otherwise marry civilly. Not to follow the traditions of the church etc and yet marrying in their sacred spaces is both disrespectful and insulting.

Victoria is not just an ordinary woman who can choose what she wants for her wedding as Daniel pointed out in their recent interview, the wedding is a state occasion as the government made it so. She didn't have the choice.

It's not a Bernadotte tradition, certain Bernadotte brides from Princess Margaret of Conaught (A British princess and her wedding was in the UK) have been 'given away' Margaret's daughter Princess Ingrid was 'given away' as she followed British traditions, her daughters and grandchildren remember that she had English tea at 4pm each afternoon. Three of Carl Gustav's sisters were given away by their grandfather (not their uncle), but King Gustav Adolf himself married 2 British women Margaret of Conaught and Louise Mountbatten and so his experience would have made the 'giving away' acceptable. Carl Gustav's sisters and aunt (Ingrid) never had succession rights and were not inline to the throne so being given away wasn't as much of an issue, and keep in mind the different times and value systems of the 1930s and early '60s. We have moved on from then. In the 1970s both Carl Gustav's sister Christina and CG himself walked with their partners down the aisle together, in accordance with their church tradition.
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The others monarch and spouse, heir(ess)'s spouse) So while the monarch is not the Head of the Lutheran church they are required to members of that church.
That´s new to me. As much as I know it´s just Monarch and heir(s)
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:53 AM
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--- it was a nice way of saying good bye to single life and hello marrige life ---
Surely it is not a single life you are leading when you are engaged to be married?

Nowadays people could live together for many years before marriage, so I think it is silly to have someone escort this kind of bride down the aisle. Of course, if you really have lived with your parents whole time before the wedding, then it is a different thing. Here in Finland it is quite a new custom to give away the bride, adopted from Hollywood-movies mainly.

I walked down the aisle with my fiancé, because we jad decided to get married together, and so we went to the church together. Here women have been independent for such a long time that it is a normal thing to do. I think Victoria should also respect Swedish traditions and go together with Daniel.
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Old 05-24-2010, 10:00 AM
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Keeping that in mind the Archbishop that is the Head of the church said he was being critical as Victoria is well aware of the church's teachings on equality and marriage. Therefore they have the tradition of both the bride and groom walking together as equals into the church. The Swedish Lutheran church was one of the first churches to ordain women and a female bishop will be one of the bishops officiating at Victoria's wedding.

If one chooses to marry in a religious ceremony in a particular church, temple, synagogue, mosque, then I believe one must be prepared to follow the tenets and traditions of that particular faith. Otherwise marry civilly. Not to follow the traditions of the church etc and yet marrying in their sacred spaces is both disrespectful and insulting.
CP Victoria's desire to have her father walk her down the aisle is not disrespectful, nor insulting, because there is no sin being committed. While it may be a tradition, she is not breaking Scriptural teachings or Church doctrine (which is based on Scripture). The role of traditions relates to manners in which God is glorified. To break a tradition does not automatically mean God is being offended. With regards to emphasis on equality, she is choosing to do this and if Daniel has no issue, neither should the Church, nor should the Church try to create divisiveness by publicly criticizing the CP as this is not violation or slander against God.
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Old 05-24-2010, 10:12 AM
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Broadcast update:
There was a pressconference for media and it has been revealed that 25 other countries will air the wedding between CP Victoria and Daniel.
They didn't give out any specific details on which they are yet.
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Both Aftonbladet and Expressen in Sweden today have written that CP Victoria will be escorted by her father. I hope the information is correct.
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Old 05-24-2010, 12:58 PM
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Nina Eldh, the informationschef of the swedish court, says that Victoria will be escorted to the altar by her father, king Carl Gustaf. The royal family wishes it and the decision has been made.
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Nu är det klart: Kungen överlämnar Victoria | Bröllopet | Aftonbladet

Scanpix is the official photo agency for the wedding
Scanpix official photo agency for Crown Princess Couple's wedding - Sveriges Kungahus

Journalists attend a briefing regarding the Royal wedding of the Swedish crown princess Victoria and her fiance Daniel Westling at the Bernadote library of the Royal Castle.
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Håkan Pettersson, chief of staff of King Karl Gustaf, delivers a speech during a press briefing regarding the Royal wedding
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:40 PM
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Hallejuah. I am glad she wishes to be given away by her father.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:41 PM
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Nina Eldh, the informationschef of the swedish court, says that Victoria will be escorted to the altar by her father, king Carl Gustaf. The royal family wishes it and the decision has been made.
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Nu är det klart: Kungen överlämnar Victoria | Bröllopet | Aftonbladet

Scanpix is the official photo agency for the wedding
Scanpix official photo agency for Crown Princess Couple's wedding - Sveriges Kungahus

Journalists attend a briefing regarding the Royal wedding of the Swedish crown princess Victoria and her fiance Daniel Westling at the Bernadote library of the Royal Castle.
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Håkan Pettersson, chief of staff of King Karl Gustaf, delivers a speech during a press briefing regarding the Royal wedding
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YAY! How romantic. We'll get to see the King in his best walking his beloved daughter down the aisle. I'm so happy she got her wish.
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Souvenirs featuring crown Princess Victoria and her fiance Daniel Westling are for sale in a souvenir shop near the Royal Castle
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Photo galleries - Photo 1 - Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden and Daniel Westling: a royal love story (24/05/2010).
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Old 05-24-2010, 02:59 PM
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CP Victoria's desire to have her father walk her down the aisle is not disrespectful, nor insulting, because there is no sin being committed. While it may be a tradition, she is not breaking Scriptural teachings or Church doctrine (which is based on Scripture). The role of traditions relates to manners in which God is glorified. To break a tradition does not automatically mean God is being offended. With regards to emphasis on equality, she is choosing to do this and if Daniel has no issue, neither should the Church, nor should the Church try to create divisiveness by publicly criticizing the CP as this is not violation or slander against God.
Amen!! Laduchesse. And another thing, we can't help if our movies are so influential.

It's a wonderful thing to have your father escort you. I'm happy for her and I'm glad she got her way!!! Thank God. It will be so romantic. I can't wait.
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I notice sometimes Daniel is seen without glasses .. does he wear contact lenses?
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Old 05-24-2010, 03:23 PM
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And now - obviously the decision of how Victoria will go to the altar hasn´t been made, there was a misunderstanding? Nina Eldh has managed to mess things again.
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:54 PM
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Thank you for posting this, LadyFinn.

"I have said that there is a wish for it to be like this."
What an answer from Eldh to the question if it's final now that The King will lead his daughter up to the altar.
Therebye she contradicts the latest news that he definitely will, and starts the discussion all over again...
Apart from being very unpopular with the media for her cold and brusque manner - a great characteristic for a PR chief -, Nina Eldh has messed up so many things big and small during the last two years that I wish that the Bernadottes would fire her already.
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They need to get rid of Nina ASAP
It's like she's doing the mess ups on purpose!
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Gosh this goes back and forth.
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I ve been away from TRF for a few days and only now I found out about the dispute with the Archibishop. I ve just finished reading the posts bout this. The first I really don't understand is why this was made public - it should have been discussed behind close doors IMO. Nevertheless , I feel this is kind of a delicate situation - Victoria wants thing done her way. the Archibishop the other way. Although I live in a country where women are not giving away in the altar by their father and this thing always looked
a little strange to me ,I can get Victoria's point - she wants to be escorted by her father to the altar for sentimental reasons I guess and - who knows - she may even be viewing it as a statement that the King is trully and wholeheartely approving of Daniel. However , the Archibishop also has some valid points - it is his church after all and wants things done the traditional way. Victoria is not after all just a miss Bernadotte who decided to get married to her man. She is the Crown Princess of the country which means two things, first that amonf other things , she is a representative of Swedish traditions in a way and secondly, that her wedding will be televised all over the country. So if the Crown Princess is allowed to se given away to her marriage, why should other girls wishing to do the same be denied by the priests? . Other brides of the family didn't have some much coverage on their wedding and they had more freedon - she (unfortunately for her) will be on the spotlight that day and that complicates things a lot.
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