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Old 02-26-2012, 06:46 AM
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Victoria and Daniel wished that instead a lot of gifts to Estelle, people would give money to their wedding foundation.
Hit går gåvorna till Estelle | Nyheter | Expressen
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That's a very nice gesture .
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:05 AM
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Expressen´s royal reporter Johan T Lindwall about the Te Deum and the very proud grandparents, The Westlings. Also a body language expert commenting how everyone looks at the family photo taken after Te Deum.
Johan T Lindwall: Släkt var det här - tack vare Estelle | Nyheter | Expressen
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This is a terrific article entitled "Family was here - thanks to Estelle", about how the position and perceptions of the Westlings have changed forever as they are now grandparents to a future Queen. The author, Johan T Lindwall, also has something to say about the name of the new princess, Estelle.
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But I still have to just clarify:
Estelle is an amazing name. It proves once again that Victoria and Daniel are in time (tune?) with the royal family.
If even Swedish journalists like the name who are we non-Swedes to whinge amd from the interviews on the street and polls published in magazines, the Swedish Monarchy is not doing too bad with the personal popularity of Pricess Victoria and Prince Daniel is over 70%, and that before the birth of Princess Estelle.

And yes, I love the name. Princess Estelle. It has a certain ring to it.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:17 AM
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This is exactly how I feel. It is incredibly sad that it is that way, but Princess Estelle is not only her parents daughter, she is a daughter of Sweden.
In my opinon, Estelle is a pretty name, but not for a future queen.
For me it sort of feels like the CP couple isn't expecting her to become a queen at all, and that makes me feel sad. The monarchy in Sweden is already quite threatened, and I don't belive that it will last long.
I completely agree. I am quite disappointed that the baby was not named after any of the Swedish queens regnant. What would've been wrong with Kristina? IMO, it would be much easier to end a monarchy headed by a Drottning Estelle than a monarchy headed by a Drottning Kristina II (or Margareta II/Ulrika II, for that matter). In fact, any Swedish name would have done better. The only point of monarchy nowadays is to represent the nation, to be its symbol. I myself admire the Norwegian royal family for choosing names such as Harald, Astrid, Ragnhild, Ingrid Alexandra, Haakon, Sverre Magnus... Those are all names that scream: NORWAY! Imagine the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge naming their firstborn child Miguel Pablo or the Prince and Princess of Asturias naming a daughter Wilhelmine. But hey, who cares, it's a pretty name and times are changing!
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:41 AM
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What pretty name prefect for a princess can't wait to see what she looks like, bet she looks like her mummy. Just great news!
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:47 AM
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I completely agree. I am quite disappointed that the baby was not named after any of the Swedish queens regnant. What would've been wrong with Kristina? IMO, it would be much easier to end a monarchy headed by a Drottning Estelle than a monarchy headed by a Drottning Kristina II (or Margareta II/Ulrika II, for that matter). In fact, any Swedish name would have done better. The only point of monarchy nowadays is to represent the nation, to be its symbol. I myself admire the Norwegian royal family for choosing names such as Harald, Astrid, Ragnhild, Ingrid Alexandra, Haakon, Sverre Magnus... Those are all names that scream: NORWAY!
Agree, as i hoped so much for a Margareta II. Margareta would be a very nice name, and with a regal first name i would not mind, if they had called her e.g. "Margareta Ewa Silvia Estelle"....
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:31 AM
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I completely agree. I am quite disappointed that the baby was not named after any of the Swedish queens regnant. What would've been wrong with Kristina? IMO, it would be much easier to end a monarchy headed by a Drottning Estelle than a monarchy headed by a Drottning Kristina II (or Margareta II/Ulrika II, for that matter). In fact, any Swedish name would have done better. The only point of monarchy nowadays is to represent the nation, to be its symbol. I myself admire the Norwegian royal family for choosing names such as Harald, Astrid, Ragnhild, Ingrid Alexandra, Haakon, Sverre Magnus... Those are all names that scream: NORWAY! Imagine the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge naming their firstborn child Miguel Pablo or the Prince and Princess of Asturias naming a daughter Wilhelmine. But hey, who cares, it's a pretty name and times are changing!
Naming a future queen Kristina or Ulrika would have Herman scream: A NAME AFTER A WOMAN THAT ABDICATED. I am sure he would find ways to scream bloody murder at Margareta also.

Remember the french field marshall that became swedish king? His name was Joseph before becoming crown prince and then Carl XIV Johan.
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:42 AM
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I am quite disappointed that the baby was not named after any of the Swedish queens regnant. What would've been wrong with Kristina? IMO, it would be much easier to end a monarchy headed by a Drottning Estelle than a monarchy headed by a Drottning Kristina II (or Margareta II/Ulrika II, for that matter). In fact, any Swedish name would have done better. The only point of monarchy nowadays is to represent the nation, to be its symbol. I myself admire the Norwegian royal family for choosing names such as Harald, Astrid, Ragnhild, Ingrid Alexandra, Haakon, Sverre Magnus... Those are all names that scream: NORWAY!
My thoughts exactly!
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Naming a future queen Kristina or Ulrika would have Herman scream: A NAME AFTER A WOMAN THAT ABDICATED. I am sure he would find ways to scream bloody murder at Margareta also.

Remember the french field marshall that became swedish king? His name was Joseph before becoming crown prince and then Carl XIV Johan.
Carl XIV Johans name was actually Jean. But I agree with you about the names. Margareta is only a name at old ladies these days in Sweden. And it would have been a bad idea to name a future Queen regent Christina after a Queen who abdicated, betrayed her country and fled to Rome and spent the rest of life as ā nun or Ulrica after a weak Queen who only rules for 1 year and then abdicated in favour of her husband. I would have preferd Louise or Josephine but i like Estelle more and more.
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:51 AM
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As a non-swedish speaker, I didn't realize princess ends with an "N" which does away with the "s" problem.
What a lovely way to honor heroic family members and stress the values of courage, strength, duty and justice.
I keep checking to see if there'sa picture??
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:55 AM
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Naming a future queen Kristina or Ulrika would have Herman scream: A NAME AFTER A WOMAN THAT ABDICATED. I am sure he would find ways to scream bloody murder at Margareta also.

Remember the french field marshall that became swedish king? His name was Joseph before becoming crown prince and then Carl XIV Johan.
It was Jean Baptiste. And then he changed his name to something more fitting and regal.

I agree upon what Lindqvist thinks about it, but it was really disrespectful to tell the press that!
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:25 AM
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I completely agree. I am quite disappointed that the baby was not named after any of the Swedish queens regnant. What would've been wrong with Kristina? IMO, it would be much easier to end a monarchy headed by a Drottning Estelle than a monarchy headed by a Drottning Kristina II (or Margareta II/Ulrika II, for that matter). In fact, any Swedish name would have done better. The only point of monarchy nowadays is to represent the nation, to be its symbol. I myself admire the Norwegian royal family for choosing names such as Harald, Astrid, Ragnhild, Ingrid Alexandra, Haakon, Sverre Magnus... Those are all names that scream: NORWAY! Imagine the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge naming their firstborn child Miguel Pablo or the Prince and Princess of Asturias naming a daughter Wilhelmine. But hey, who cares, it's a pretty name and times are changing!
Neither Victoria, Philip or Madeleine are genuine Swedish names, so in that way Estelle is just a continuation of a tradition.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:09 AM
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I am quite traditional when it comes to royal names; monarchy is about traditions and continuation, and names are important part of it. However, every parent has the right to choose the name they like for their child - Victoria and Daniel are no exceptions. Estelle is a beautiful name and I'm sure we'll all get used to it fairly soon.

All royal names started somewhere; it isn't as though some names were created as royal ones, and the others - as commoners' names. When James VI ascended to the English Throne, he was the first monarch with the name England had ever had. All his successors, with the exception of Mary II, William III, and Elizabeth II, bore names that were unusual for the English/British Royal Family.
Beatrix is a very unusual name for the Netherlands, and Victoria was hardly traditional for Swedish Royal Family either.

It just takes time to get used to new names; in years to come, it will be hard to imagine Victoria's first-born bearing any other name but Estelle.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:27 AM
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God, I am really happy for them! Congratulations to Daniel and Victoria and all the Swedish people
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:45 AM
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It was Jean Baptiste. And then he changed his name to something more fitting and regal.

I agree upon what Lindqvist thinks about it, but it was really disrespectful to tell the press that!
Dick Harrisson, a history professor unlike Herman Lindqvist who is a amature historian and journalist, said it was a ok name with regards to history.
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Old 02-26-2012, 11:07 AM
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My God! Why so many critics about the name of a little princess who is only 4 days. She will be a queen of the XXI century not a queen of old times. Yes, times changes and the names can be other old names of Queen . I notice that many critics came from foreighn forumers and not from swedish forumers.
I wish many happyness to this little princess Estelle.
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And it is the blood that counts. Through her descent from Queen Victoria of Sweden (née princess of Baden) she is a senior direct descendant of Katherina Wasa, who was the sister of Gustav II.Adolf, last Wasa-king of Sweden and the aunt of queen Kristina. Katharina's eldest surviving son from her marriage to Johan Kasimir of Wittelsbach, Count Palatinate and Duke of Pfalz-Zweibruecken, became Swedish king after his cousin's abdication as Carl X.
Her eldest daughter Christina married the Margrave of Baden.

Last Wittelsbach-queen on the throne of Sweden was Ulrika Eleonore. She was the younger sister of Carl XII. of Sweden. Her elder sister Hedwig had married the duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorp. But when her brother died, she was already dead for 10 years and her son only 18, so her sister Ulrika Eleonore managed to get voted for as new queen. She and her husband Friedrich of Hesse, for whom she abdicated, were childless.

Thus the line of the Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorp was chosen. Princess Hedwig of Sweden's son had married Anna of Russia, his only son was to become Tsar Peter III. That was not what the Swedish Parliament wanted. So they chose the next Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorp-prince, Adolf Friedrich, who was through his mother Augustine of Baden and grandmother a great-grandson of Katharina Wasa and thus a grand-nephew of Carl X. of Sweden, while he was a grand-nephew of Carl X.'s queen Hedwig Eleonore of Schleswig-Holstein-Gottorp as well who had performed important political tasks in Sweden for her husband Carl X., son Carl XI. and great-son Carl XII. and great-daughter Ulrika Eleonore.

Eventually the Holstein-Gottorp-line was disposed by the Rijksdag before they chose Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte as new Crown Prince.

Of course, now it was important to connect the new dynasty with Europe's monarchies.Thus they chose Josephine de Beauharnais, Bavarian princess of Leuchtenberg. You have just to look up who her mother's brother and sisters were married to, to get an idea who her family was. E.g.she was a first cousin both of emperor Franz Joseph I. of Austria, his wife empress Elisabeth, emperor Maximilian of Mexico, queen Maria of both Sicilies, king Otto I. of Greece and (through her father's sister Hortense) of Napoleon III. of France, niece of the kings of Prussia, Saxony, Wuerttemberg and Bavaria, sister-in-law of the emperor of Brazil, of the Queen Regnant of Portugal and of a daughter of Tsar Nikolaus I. Family relations that were blood relations of king Oscar II. of Sweden, her son....

Oscar II. married Sophia of Nassau, sister of the Grand Duke Of Luxembourg and daughter of a Royal princess of Wuerttemberg. She was the first to bring Wasa-blood to the Bernadottes. Plus she was a descendant of the Electress Sophia of Hanover.
Their son married Victoria of Baden, again a direct line descendant of the Wasa-dynasty.

So by then the Bernadottes were related to most European reigning Houses. Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte had always feared that the Rijksdag could one day vote against the Bernadottes, as there were still Holstein-Gottorp heirs alive. Thus he declared that only Royal Brides were possible for a Bernadotte if they were to stay in line to the throne to interconnect with the other dynasties and to prevent the Royal family to become related to the Swedish nobility, thus preventing family interests from the Swedish elite whenm it came to the throne.

Of course this need had changed when Carl XVI. Gustaf became king. So he could marry commoner Silvia and Victoria's marriage to a fellow Swede, Daniel Westling, was even more in accord to today's time where a future Swedish queen should have real roots in Sweden.
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'Estelle to have normal childhood'-Expressen article (mostly speculative)
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Aftonbladet Plus claims to 'know the truth' of why the name Estelle was chosen.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/ba...ab?teaser=true

Herman Lindqvist has released a statement which states that he has received 'a tsunami of angry emails' and 'regrets causing offense'.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/ko...cle14429925.ab
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So by then the Bernadottes were related to most European reigning Houses. Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte had always feared that the Rijksdag could one day vote against the Bernadottes, as there were still Holstein-Gottorp heirs alive. Thus he declared that only Royal Brides were possible for a Bernadotte if they were to stay in line to the throne to interconnect with the other dynasties and to prevent the Royal family to become related to the Swedish nobility, thus preventing family interests from the Swedish elite whenm it came to the throne.

Of course this need had changed when Carl XVI. Gustaf became king. So he could marry commoner Silvia and Victoria's marriage to a fellow Swede, Daniel Westling, was even more in accord to today's time where a future Swedish queen should have real roots in Sweden.
Excuse me, but were in the Swedish order of succession did he put that in because i have studied history and social science and thats the first i have heard of it that the bride HAD to be royal. Only thing i heard was that the king and the goverment had to give premission for the couple to marry.

THe constitution didnt change so that he could marry Silvia, it changed so that the monarch would loose all power and just be a figurehead. Carl XVI Gustaf still needed the kings premission to marry, but since he was the king in 1976 he had that already.

If he is alive when Estelle wants to marry in 20 - 30 years(not unlikely considering how old Bernadotte members are when they di) she first have to get premission from Victoria and then go to the king and get premission.
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Short interview with Alice Trolle Wachtmeister about carrying the baby into the witness confirmation.
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Two photos of Daniel at the press conference
http://photos-2.posh24.com/p/1563542...ng_morkbla.jpg
Expressen´s reporter Johan T Lindwall congratulating
http://photos-2.posh24.com/p/1563540...ng_morkbla.jpg
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