Daniel's Title

[Whitetiger]

Originally Posted by lilnana

The reason he didn't drop his surname (and just have his titles and first and middle name) is because there is law stating that a person is not allowed to drop there surname. The rest of the family doesn't have to have a surname is either the law wasn't in place at the time of their birth/wedding, or as wife/children of the king they were allowed circumvent the law. But rather then change his surname from Westling to Bernadotte they opted to make/treat his previous surname as another middle name with Bernadette as a the surname.

it makes sense to me at least. When you marry into royalty, you take on the name of the Royal House. I wouldn't have a problem with it. If I were in his position, I would look at it as gaining more than you would be giving up.

[Meraude]

Originally Posted by lilnana

The reason he didn't drop his surname (and just have his titles and first and middle name) is because there is law stating that a person is not allowed to drop there surname. .

This is not true for Sweden, there are no law against dropping or changing a surname. When a person marries s/he kan choose to keep their old surname, take the surname of their spouse and drop their old one, keep their surname and add their spouse's surname as a middle name, take their spouse's surname and keep their old as a middle name (as prince Daniel have done), or create a totally new surname for the newly-weds (for exampel Bernaling or Westdotte ),

It's not just when you get married that you can drop/change your surname, you can change it if you don't like it and choose a new one, for those who are interested, here's a link to changing surnames in Sweden: Changing surname - PRV

[mattep74]

Maybe Daniel keeps his old last name as a tribute to his parents?

[lilnana]

Originally Posted by Meraude

This is not true for Sweden, there are no law against dropping or changing a surname. When a person marries s/he kan choose to keep their old surname, take the surname of their spouse and drop their old one, keep their surname and add their spouse's surname as a middle name, take their spouse's surname and keep their old as a middle name (as prince Daniel have done), or create a totally new surname for the newly-weds (for exampel Bernaling or Westdotte ),

It's not just when you get married that you can drop/change your surname, you can change it if you don't like it and choose a new one, for those who are interested, here's a link to changing surnames in Sweden: Changing surname - PRV

Isn't that what I said? That he added on Bernadette as his surname, and even though he kept Westling in his name he can't pass on "Westling Bernadette" as one single surname. I think we had a miss understanding. When I said you couldn't drop a surname I meant as in have no surname and just be "Bob" or just "Daniel" with no surname. Or can I go to Sweden and change my name first name and drop my last name and just become Yzma? That would be cool, or better yet Maleficent.

[grevinnan]

Originally Posted by Meraude

This is not true for Sweden, there are no law against dropping or changing a surname. When a person marries s/he kan choose to keep their old surname, take the surname of their spouse and drop their old one, keep their surname and add their spouse's surname as a middle name, take their spouse's surname and keep their old as a middle name (as prince Daniel have done), or create a totally new surname for the newly-weds (for exampel Bernaling or Westdotte ),

It's not just when you get married that you can drop/change your surname, you can change it if you don't like it and choose a new one, for those who are interested, here's a link to changing surnames in Sweden: Changing surname - PRV

Unless the law has changed within the last couple of years one is not allowed to use a surname as the middle name in Sweden. Both myself and several of my swedish friends encountered that when applying for swedish passports for our children. It is very common here in the US to have the mother's maiden name as the middle name. However, the rules for swedish names were very clear and non-negotiable, no surname as middle name. Consequently my son and lots of other children now have swedish passport with a slightly different name than their US passport.

If they made an exception for Prince Daniel I hope that the in my opinion very silly rule will be changed for all citizens.

Edit - I just read the entire site you posted and it mentions you can take your spouse's surname as your middle name. It does not address your own original name, e.g. can you now have a surname as a middle name.

Another edit - on the website for Skatteverket the issue of children using a surname as middle name in certain circumstances.

Thanks for posting the original link.

[COUNTESS]

Originally Posted by lilnana

Isn't that what I said? That he added on Bernadette as his surname, and even though he kept Westling in his name he can't pass on "Westling Bernadette" as one single surname. I think we had a miss understanding. When I said you couldn't drop a surname I meant as in have no surname and just be "Bob" or just "Daniel" with no surname. Or can I go to Sweden and change my name first name and drop my last name and just become Yzma? That would be cool, or better yet Maleficent.

It is Bernadotte. From Marshal Jean Baptiste Bernadotte, a French Marshal under Napoleon. He was made the Prince of Ponte-Corvo and elected to be the Swedish king.

[royals-royce]

Originally Posted by monica17

In the older generations yes. Because titles and birth (social status) were determined by equal rank and/or father's title(s) if any.

Perhaps, that was the purpose of Daniel adopting Victoria's family name?

To make sure that Victoria's children are indeed Bernadotte's otherwise they will be Westlings?

[grevinnan]

Originally Posted by COUNTESS

It is Bernadotte. From Marshal Jean Baptiste Bernadotte, a French Marshal under Napoleon. He was made the Prince of Ponte-Corvo and elected to be the Swedish king.

Bernadotte was elected Crown Prince. The King was still alive and Bernadotte was made his heir.

[Leslie2006]

Originally Posted by royals-royce

Perhaps, that was the purpose of Daniel adopting Victoria's family name?

To make sure that Victoria's children are indeed Bernadotte's otherwise they will be Westlings?

Actually if you look at his bio on the Swedish Royal Family website, you'll notice that Daniel officially has two surnames: Westling Bernadotte. His official style and title are HRH Prince Daniel of Sweden, Duke of Vastergotland.

[KitKat2006]

Originally Posted by janb

Yes, the King made him one. He wouldn't have become one under the older rules that was made when women couldn't inherit the throne. But I guess the reasoining is sound, if women can inherit the crown as well as men can, men must be able to get a title by marriage as well women do.

Yes, but in that case he should be rightfully be crownprince and not just prince. Just like Letizia, Mary, Maxima, Mette-Marit, etc have become crownprincesses and not just princesses. They're still not fair when it comes to things like that and I perfectly understand that Henrik of Denmark isn't happy about the fact that he isn't King of Denmark, while Silvia ist Queen of Sweden and Sonja is Queen of Norway. What makes Silvia and Sonja higher valued than Henrik or the late Bernhard of the Netherlands or the Duke of Edinburgh? Or what makes Mary and Mette-Marit higher valued than Daniel? Equality yes, but not when at the same moment the equality just brings women level to men. It should also be the other way around. Daniel wouldn't ever be king of his own and would always just be the added partner in this high-level-marriage (and also they can insist on keeping the royal family name so the not royal born partner has to go by this name after the marriage). But he has the same right to be crownprince and king some day like Letizia, Mary, Maxima, Mette-Marit, etc have IMO.

[Meraude]

Originally Posted by Leslie2006

Actually if you look at his bio on the Swedish Royal Family website, you'll notice that Daniel officially has two surnames: Westling Bernadotte. His official style and title are HRH Prince Daniel of Sweden, Duke of Vastergotland.

No, prince Daniel doesn't have two surnames, as it's not allowed in Sweden to have two surnames, his surname is Westling, and he have taken his wife's surname as a middle name. Check this reference in Wikipedia: ^ Swedish Tax Agency continually updated public census records available to anyone by telephone (as per name change there after wedding, when he adopted his wife's dynasty name as a middle name and kept his own family name, though neither is used when referring to him as prince) Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Leslie2006]

Originally Posted by Meraude

No, prince Daniel doesn't have two surnames, as it's not allowed in Sweden to have two surnames, his surname is Westling, and he have taken his wife's surname as a middle name. Check this reference in Wikipedia: ^ Swedish Tax Agency continually updated public census records available to anyone by telephone (as per name change there after wedding, when he adopted his wife's dynasty name as a middle name and kept his own family name, though neither is used when referring to him as prince) Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh. I didn't realize Sweden didn't allow two surnames. I guess I'd be in trouble then because I have two myself. lol So Bernadotte is his middle name then. Interesting.

[FasterB]

Originally Posted by Meraude

No, prince Daniel doesn't have two surnames, as it's not allowed in Sweden to have two surnames, his surname is Westling, and he have taken his wife's surname as a middle name. Check this reference in Wikipedia: ^ Swedish Tax Agency continually updated public census records available to anyone by telephone (as per name change there after wedding, when he adopted his wife's dynasty name as a middle name and kept his own family name, though neither is used when referring to him as prince) Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don´t you mean that Westling is a middlename and Bernadotte the surname?

According to http://www.kungahuset.se then his name is: Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte. Which in my book means that Olof is the forename, Daniel Westling is the middlenames and Bernadotte the surname.

[Meraude]

Originally Posted by FasterB

Don´t you mean that Westling is a middlename and Bernadotte the surname?

According to http://www.kungahuset.se then his name is: Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte. Which in my book means that Olof is the forename, Daniel Westling is the middlenames and Bernadotte the surname.

It seems that the information on the English version of Wikipedia is wrong, the surname is Bernadotte, Westling is the middle name and Olof Daniel is the given names. A middle name is a surname, not a given name in Sweden. You can have as many given names as you want, but only one middle (sur)name and one surname.