Daniel's Future: Discussion (his role, title, orders, pressure etc.)

[stellam]

Probably, he may even have lost it on the day of their engagement.

 

[lilnana]

Isn't it that the royal family has the right to vote, but chose not to use that right in order to stay out of politics? There's a difference from not having the right, and just not using that right, but I'm not too sure, I could be wrong and they don't have the right.

 

[jujje]

Will Daniel lose his Right to Vote on July 19, 2010?

He will still, as the rest of the Royal Family, have the right to vote. But he will, as tradition dictates, choose not to do it.

 

[CrownPrincess5]

Will Daniel lose his Right to Vote on July 19, 2010?

I wouldn't say he will "lose" the right to vote, but after June 19 he will not be able to, just like the rest of the royal family. I didn't know it was a choice though. I thought it was like a "law" or something for the royal family.

 

[Sonjapearl]

I'm not sure if this was mentioned before, but I could see Daniel taking on health issues such as obesity, staying fit, etc. once he starts taking on royal duties.

I know that would seem too obvious and cliched of him, but if the obesity rate in Sweden is the same as it is in other Western countries, wouldn't that be something he could get involved in?

 

[lilnana]

I could see that too, it is an important issues, I wonder if this would also included kidney failure, donations and translation (as well as the other organs and tissues as well). It would be an excellent fit, but I worry it may be deemed somethings that is 'too close to home' (as silly as that sounds).

 

[Sonjapearl]

It would be an excellent fit, but I worry it may be deemed somethings that is 'too close to home' (as silly as that sounds).

No, it doesn't sound silly because Daniel may be criticized for taking on an issue that he would just so obviously take on. But at the same time, its obvious in a good way.

 

[lilnana]

I was also thinking they wouldn't want to draw any more attention to his condition because being congenital and non-hereditary don't usually go hand n hand.

 

[CrownPrincess5]

Has Daniel completed his 18-month Swedish studies? I remember he has been training for his princely duties.

 

[rop81]

Has Daniel completed his 18-month Swedish studies? I remember he has been training for his princely duties.

He only started the studies this january so he has about one year left i belive.

 

[Lola]

I was also thinking they wouldn't want to draw any more attention to his condition because being congenital and non-hereditary don't usually go hand n hand.

Indeed

It would be though a pity, he wouldn´t get into it at all. He could do so much. For transplanted kids for example or in 2011 the World Transplant Games will take place in Gothenborg.

 

[COUNTESS]

I was also thinking they wouldn't want to draw any more attention to his condition because being congenital and non-hereditary don't usually go hand n hand.

I am not sure what you mean by your post. Congenital means present at birth, but not hereditary. They have nothing to do with one another.

 

[Sister Morphine]

Congenital defects can be hereditary, as mentioned in the definition: "of or pertaining to a condition present at birth, whether inherited or caused by the environment, esp. the uterine environment."

Hereditary traits obviously are present at birth, such as eye color.

 

[LadyFinn]

Daniel has a course of history, Dick Harrison, a professor of history at the University of Lund is giving him private lessons.
Historiekurs för blivande prinsen | Bröllopet | Aftonbladet

 

[lilnana]

Not all of course, but wouldn't most congenitals be genetically linked? And genetic would mean its possible to inherit. I just wonder because it was stated after the court was questioned about the surgery and not before so the press release could have been something they released last minute.

It's nice to know they aren't using that other historian who has a column in a tabloid

 

[Lola]

Yes, most likely the terms in the press release were used wrong. "Idiopathic" would probably rather meet it.

 

[Gerard]

Hi All, maiden post

In all the discussions surrounding the future Prince Consort and indeed in the pre wedding interviews with the couple, I have yet to see it asked if Daniel would be a uniform wearing Prince on official occasions? Surely he will be awarded some orders by the king?

I note that sometimes Prince Carl Philip wears a uniform while other times he appears to wear a dress suit with an order and the blue sash, I wonder if Daniel will do similiarly. Daniel has done his national service in the military I believe and Carl Philip is a Lieutenant in the Swedish Navy, so will it be uniform or civilian formal dress/wear for Daniel?

H.R.H
I am really confused on the this topic, Jenny Alexandersson an Aftonbladet royal reporter in a reply to a question on her blog last week said Prince Daniel will not become HRH, personally I think it would be preposterous if he doesn’t become HRH when you have Her Majesty Queen Silvia and HRH Princess Lillian already in the srf and both of non noble or royal birth. Surely not awarding him the HRH address would undermine the Crown Princess couple right from the start and might be interrupted of his unacceptance by the king and the disapproval of his daughter’s choice of husband?

[FONT=&quot]I do wish those granted interviews with the couple would seek answers to these questions.

Här är kronprinsessan Victorias innersta krets « Hovbloggen



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[lilnana]

Well to get the orders of the Seraphim and Polar Star (the two highest ones)you either have to be a non-swedish citizen or a member of the family, and at this point in time Daniel is either. After the wedding he will be apart of the family and thus able to get an order, but until they are legally married he isn't technically family. As far as I know those two are the only two orders of Sweden currently active/in use, although the royal court states that there are other official and quasi official orders such as the Order of King Carl XIII, but I'm assmuing these other orders are 'lesser/lower' orders, more likely medals perhaps?

The link to the court's page on Orders and medals Orders - Sveriges Kungahus [NS4 version]

 

[grevinnan]

It would be absurd if Daniel did not become H.K.H. Prince Daniel. For the husband of the Crown Princess to be titled lower than Princess Lilian simply does not make any sense. Once the marriage takes place he is a full member of the royal family and the Swedish Royal Court irregardless of his birth rank. Silvia became H.M. upon her marriage but she of course became the Queen at the same moment.

 

[lilnana]

With women its automatic that they get the same style and title as the man they marry which is why Princess Lilian and Queen Silvia are princess and Queen. However with men marrying into the family it's never seen as they automatically that they get the same treatment as women, so everyone also always question what will happen to to them, but in this case it was already stated he will be price and duke so I think it safe to assume he will be HRH. Since the court stated he will be duke and prince they must have thought there was no need to clarify on the HRH, they need to be more clear on things like this. I don't see any reason to give him anything less then HRH.

 

[Sister Morphine]

The reason being, men don't take titles and styles from that of their wives. They have to be specifically conferred upon them. Queen Margrethe's husband had to be created Prince Henrik of Denmark, as otherwise he wouldn't have been entitled to it.

 

[CrownPrincessJava]

The reason being, men don't take titles and styles from that of their wives. They have to be specifically conferred upon them. Queen Margrethe's husband had to be created Prince Henrik of Denmark, as otherwise he wouldn't have been entitled to it.

Did Prince Henrik receive the HRH title upon the marriage to the then Crown Princess? If so, was that title granted to him by the then King of Denmark?

Prince Phillip was only made a "HRH, Prince of England" upon royal decree when Queen Elizabeth II was Queen, because previously he was only known as the Duke of Edinburgh. Her father, King George, didn't grant him the title, rather, all children born to the then Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh were styled with the HRH Prince/Princess.

 

[CrownPrincess5]

He will be HRH Prince Daniel. It would not be right to give him a title higher than that because he will then be "higher" in rank than Victoria. We know that can't happen. I think Daniels HRH title is expected since he's marrying the heir to the throne. But in Jonas' case...didn't the King and Queen "give" him the duke title?

 

[Gerard]

Well the Aftonbladet reporter has only gone and said it this morning in a reply to a question on her blog again

"Daniel will not have the title His Royal Highness.

it is reserverd for people who were born Royal"

Kungen för Victoria till altaret - hovet och kungen bekräftar « Hovbloggen

We know this is not true as we have Lillian as an example and so the confusion continues......


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[Stefan]

Did Prince Henrik receive the HRH title upon the marriage to the then Crown Princess? If so, was that title granted to him by the then King of Denmark?

Prince Phillip was only made a "HRH, Prince of England" upon royal decree when Queen Elizabeth II was Queen, because previously he was only known as the Duke of Edinburgh. Her father, King George, didn't grant him the title, rather, all children born to the then Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh were styled with the HRH Prince/Princess.

Prince Henrik became HRH Prince of Denmark at his marriage to Margrethe. But Margrethe ws only heiress presumptive not Crown Princess. They same for the 3 dutch Princes Hendrik, Bernhard and Claus. They became HRH prince of the Netherlands at their marriage days. Prince Philip was created Duke of Edinburgh etc. with HRH the day before his marriage. And in 1957 he was created a Prince of the UK.

 

[Harald]

Well the Aftonbladet reporter has only gone and said it this morning in a reply to a question on her blog again


"Daniel will not have the title His Royal Highness.

it is reserverd for people who were born Royal"​

Kungen för Victoria till altaret - hovet och kungen bekräftar « Hovbloggen​

We know this is not true as we have Lillian as an example and so the confusion continues......​

Although the situation with Lillian is a bit different because as wife she automatically takes the titles and styles of her husband, nothing prevents them from giving Daniel the style of His Royal Highness in his own right if they wish to do so.

 

[grevinnan]

I seriously doubt that CP Victoria would accept anything less than H.K.H. for Daniel. Victoria may seem soft and giggly but she is a woman of steel. Very strong and totally dedicated to her role and to the future of the monarchy as well as making it relevant for Sweden. I put my money on her being escorted down the isle by her father and Daniel being H.K.H.

 

[LadyFinn]

Daniel Westling may become the title HRH Prince Daniel. Anette Wallner from the Royal Court's Information Department told to the SVT´s Rapport, that they are discussing about Daniel´s title and the decision hasn´t been made yet. The King decides about the title and it will be announced on Sunday, said Annika Sönnerberg from the Royal Court's Information Department.
Daniel Westling kan bli kunglig höghet - rapport | svt.se

 

[Lumutqueen]

I don't understand why he won't be made HRH?

 

[SwedQueen]

Daniel Westling may become the title HRH Prince Daniel. Anette Wallner from the Royal Court's Information Department told to the SVT´s Rapport, that they are discussing about Daniel´s title and the decision hasn´t been made yet. The King decides about the title and it will be announced on Sunday, said Annika Sönnerberg from the Royal Court's Information Department.
Daniel Westling kan bli kunglig höghet - rapport | svt.se

I think he def. should be HRH. I can't see why not?
CP Victoria will be the Queen of Sweden and it's only natural not to mention IMO fair to Daniel to become HRH.