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Old 05-11-2006, 05:23 PM
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King consort Daniel sounds perfect.

They should be in the same rank I feel like. Anyone with me?
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Old 05-11-2006, 05:24 PM
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Really, either let Carl Philip be king, and then, his wife can be queen, or let Viktoria become queen, as we have thought she would become one day since 1980, but then let her husband be king! I don't want the queen's husband to "only" be a prince. "Prince" sounds inferior to "queen", only "king" is equal to "queen", and a married couple should be each other's equals. So... Let Viktoria's husband become king!
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Old 05-11-2006, 05:33 PM
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It is simply not tru that rumour about a fertility test for Mary come on fokes we are living in the year 2006. Ther is no reason for them to make a test like that it is plain stupid.
I have also heard that CP Mary had to take the test
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Old 05-11-2006, 05:46 PM
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I have also heard that CP Mary had to take the test
And if the test had shown, that they were infertile, wouldn't the princes have been allowed to marry them then?
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Old 05-11-2006, 06:01 PM
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And if the test had shown, that they were infertile, wouldn't the princes have been allowed to marry them then?
The prince would have some processing to do.

I don't think Daniel should be a King or even a prince. He could get ridiculed a lot for it, partly because this is Sweden and partly because he's a man. If he wants to keep his individuality he should insist on keeping his whole name, Daniel Westling, or a title of his own, like the Duke of Gästrikland, or whatever '-land' the King finds appropriate. I know this is slightly contradictionary to my post # 24 earlier in this thread, but I've done some thinking.

Better he has a title in his own right, like the Duke of Edinburgh or the Duchess of Cornwall, than some matronising prince consort title.

Furienna > If he was the King as a consort to Queen Victoria it would totally rob and diminish the last ounce of prominency the word King still has.
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Old 05-11-2006, 07:47 PM
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A likely development

A likely development, if CP Viktoria will marry him, will be "Daniel, Duke of Gästrikland". And when Viktoria become a rouling queen she will add "prince" before his name followed by the "Duke - title".
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Old 05-11-2006, 08:38 PM
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Nah, Daneborn, I don't think it would destroy the title of king. It would only... expand it.
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Old 05-12-2006, 03:10 AM
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I do hope you mean the Duchy of Västergötland, which is Victoria's duchy - and aren't talking about her swapping with Madeleine, whom holds the Duchy of Gästrikland...
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Old 05-12-2006, 08:05 AM
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Nah, Daneborn, I don't think it would destroy the title of king. It would only... expand it.
He would be known as King-Kong Daniel.

GrandDuchess > Princess Madeleine, Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland is a very long title and for the sake of Daniel actually coming from Gästrikland it would be a logical gesture to give Gästrikland to him.

I don't like giving ''-lands'' or titles to people with no meaning whatsoever to it. Västergötland, with Göteborg, isn't really Daniel's homeyard.

After all, Prince Charles isn't known as the Duke of Cornwall, nor Queen Elizabeth as the Duchess of Edinburgh.

Princess Alexandra of Denmark also holds the title Countess of Frederiksborg, that's the place where she was married so it makes sense. Appointing her Countess of Djursland or Greenland or something like that would be totally
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Old 05-12-2006, 08:04 PM
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GrandDuchess - Daniel is actually coming from Gästrikland so I think it would be a logical gesture to "give Gästrikland" to him. Duke of Gästrikland. But one newer knows? There ar many "lands" left so I don´t think it will be a big problem.
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How about Duke of Stureplan? :p

They cant pretty well take a dukedom away from Madeleine and give it to Daniel, maybe Madeleines husband will be Duke of Hälsingland and Gästrikland, like they did in Spain. I just hope that they threat the spouses of Carl Philip and Madeleine the same way when it comes to titles
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I do too. Do you think Carl Philip's wife (Emma?) and Madeleine's husband (Jonas?) will be princess and prince, by the way?
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How about Duke of Stureplan? :p

They cant pretty well take a dukedom away from Madeleine and give it to Daniel, maybe Madeleines husband will be Duke of Hälsingland and Gästrikland, like they did in Spain. I just hope that they threat the spouses of Carl Philip and Madeleine the same way when it comes to titles
Yes it doesn't really make sense to take the title away from Madeleine and give it to Daniel. I thought that Madeleine was given two duchys because geographically they were about in the same area? I think Carl Philip's wife might get a better deal in titles than Madeleine's husband. CP's wife would most likely get a HRH, and a courtesy Princess and Duchess title. I think Madeleine's future husband would just become a Duke. Unless they follow Belgium and just make everybody a HRH Prince/Princess!
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They cant pretty well take a dukedom away from Madeleine and give it to Daniel, maybe Madeleines husband will be Duke of Hälsingland and Gästrikland, like they did in Spain.
it's not like that, the Infanta's titles were granted on their wedding days so their husbands got the right to be their "Duke Consort of X" (I know there isn't a Duke consort title but you get my point) while Madeleine's titles are from birth or granted by her father a long time ago so I don't know if it is the same situation
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I hope Daniel will be Prins Daniel eller Prinsgemal Daniel. My laptop doesn't allow me to make the correct swedish spelling.
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I hope Daniel will be Prins Daniel eller Prinsgemal Daniel. My laptop doesn't allow me to make the correct swedish spelling.
Sorry for the ignorance but what does it mean?
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Sorry for the ignorance but what does it mean?
Prinsgemål = Prince Consort
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Old 05-13-2006, 07:35 AM
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Prince Consort

Well, but he can be a Prince Consort (Prinsgemål) at the same moment Victoria become a rouling Queen. Until then he will be Duke, Prince or both of them. (Prince NN, Duke of XX).
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Old 05-17-2006, 02:50 AM
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I think Daniel will get a title similar to that of Prince Philip in the UK. He'll be the Duke of Västergötland while Victoria is still Crown Princess and then once she's Queen, he'll be Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland. The reason you'll never see a Crown Princess's husband given the rank of King once she ascends the throne is because (and it's sad and archaic) a King outranks a Queen and to give someone a rank by marriage that goes over the rank by birth of his wife wouldn't work. Hence why it's not King Philip and King Henrik.

I also believe that Daniel isn't the type of man to press the issue. If he's given a title based on one of his wife's peerages, I don't think he'll be complaining.
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