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Old 08-21-2011, 06:18 PM
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Yes, the King made him one. He wouldn't have become one under the older rules that was made when women couldn't inherit the throne. But I guess the reasoining is sound, if women can inherit the crown as well as men can, men must be able to get a title by marriage as well women do.
Yes, but in that case he should be rightfully be crownprince and not just prince. Just like Letizia, Mary, Maxima, Mette-Marit, etc have become crownprincesses and not just princesses. They're still not fair when it comes to things like that and I perfectly understand that Henrik of Denmark isn't happy about the fact that he isn't King of Denmark, while Silvia ist Queen of Sweden and Sonja is Queen of Norway. What makes Silvia and Sonja higher valued than Henrik or the late Bernhard of the Netherlands or the Duke of Edinburgh? Or what makes Mary and Mette-Marit higher valued than Daniel? Equality yes, but not when at the same moment the equality just brings women level to men. It should also be the other way around. Daniel wouldn't ever be king of his own and would always just be the added partner in this high-level-marriage (and also they can insist on keeping the royal family name so the not royal born partner has to go by this name after the marriage). But he has the same right to be crownprince and king some day like Letizia, Mary, Maxima, Mette-Marit, etc have IMO.
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Old 08-21-2011, 10:26 PM
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Actually if you look at his bio on the Swedish Royal Family website, you'll notice that Daniel officially has two surnames: Westling Bernadotte. His official style and title are HRH Prince Daniel of Sweden, Duke of Vastergotland.
No, prince Daniel doesn't have two surnames, as it's not allowed in Sweden to have two surnames, his surname is Westling, and he have taken his wife's surname as a middle name. Check this reference in Wikipedia: ^ Swedish Tax Agency continually updated public census records available to anyone by telephone (as per name change there after wedding, when he adopted his wife's dynasty name as a middle name and kept his own family name, though neither is used when referring to him as prince) Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-22-2011, 09:47 AM
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No, prince Daniel doesn't have two surnames, as it's not allowed in Sweden to have two surnames, his surname is Westling, and he have taken his wife's surname as a middle name. Check this reference in Wikipedia: ^ Swedish Tax Agency continually updated public census records available to anyone by telephone (as per name change there after wedding, when he adopted his wife's dynasty name as a middle name and kept his own family name, though neither is used when referring to him as prince) Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oh. I didn't realize Sweden didn't allow two surnames. I guess I'd be in trouble then because I have two myself. lol So Bernadotte is his middle name then. Interesting.
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:16 PM
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No, prince Daniel doesn't have two surnames, as it's not allowed in Sweden to have two surnames, his surname is Westling, and he have taken his wife's surname as a middle name. Check this reference in Wikipedia: ^ Swedish Tax Agency continually updated public census records available to anyone by telephone (as per name change there after wedding, when he adopted his wife's dynasty name as a middle name and kept his own family name, though neither is used when referring to him as prince) Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Don´t you mean that Westling is a middlename and Bernadotte the surname?

According to http://www.kungahuset.se then his name is: Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte. Which in my book means that Olof is the forename, Daniel Westling is the middlenames and Bernadotte the surname.
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Old 08-23-2011, 01:05 AM
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Don´t you mean that Westling is a middlename and Bernadotte the surname?

According to http://www.kungahuset.se then his name is: Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte. Which in my book means that Olof is the forename, Daniel Westling is the middlenames and Bernadotte the surname.
It seems that the information on the English version of Wikipedia is wrong, the surname is Bernadotte, Westling is the middle name and Olof Daniel is the given names. A middle name is a surname, not a given name in Sweden. You can have as many given names as you want, but only one middle (sur)name and one surname.
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It's actually a bit of mystery what his name/full name is. He is officialy styled as HRH Prince Daniel of Sweden, Duke of Västergötland. The royal court talks about Olof Daniel, Pr of Sweden, Duke of Västergötland, the swedish version calls him Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte, Pr of Sweden, Duke of Västergötland. For legal purposes he is called Olof Daniel Bernadotte Westling, with Bernadotte being his middle name and keeping Westling as his last name. But after the wedding it was said that it would be the exact opposite, moving Westling to middle name spot and last name being Bernadotte. So...at least we know that he goes by Daniel.
According to Wikipedia (not the most reliable source), he is registered with the Swedish Tax Authority as "Westling Bernadotte", not "Bernadotte Westling", so I'd say that, for legal purposes, it is indeed "Westling Bernadotte" and not the other way around.

The Royal Court website no longer lists his full name. Instead, following the convention of omitting family names for members of the Royal House, he is listed only as "Olof Daniel, Prins av Sverige, Hertig av Västergötland" and cited simply as "H.K.H. Prins Daniel".

The legal foundation for his titles of "Prince of Sweden" and "Duke of Västergötland" remains unclear to me though. Unlike his other European counterparts, the King of Sweden, under the Instrument of Government of 1974, doesn't seem to have the power to give titles to anyone, not even members of his own family and there is no official regulation of how the titles are bestowed.

In the past, the title of Prince or Princess in Sweden seemed to be interpreted as a title of the reigning dynasty similar to any title of nobility transmittted in male line. In fact, prior to 1980, any male descendant in male line of King Karl XIV Johan was called an Sveriges Arvfurste (i.e. a "Hereditary Prince of Sweden"), with the heir to the throne in particular being called the Sveriges Kronprins ("Crown Prince of Swden"); a female descendant in male line of Kiing Jarl XIV Johan was called in turn an Sveriges Prinsessa ("Princess of Sweden"). Both the title of Arvfurste and title of Prinsessa, with the associated HRH predicate, could be lost if the title holder violated certain conditions in the Act of Succession. e.g. married unequally; for males in particular, that also meant the loss of succession rights for himself and his descendants, who also became by extension untitled (for females, the penalty was only the title loss , as there were already no succession rights).

With the change in the Act of Succession, the line of succession was restricted to the male and female descendants of King Carl XVI Gustaf only, by order of equal primogeniture. Only possible legal interpretation that is frequently suggested, then, is that all his descendants , who are not excluded from the succession by the situations in the amended law, may now use the new titles of Prins av Sverige and Prinsessa av Sverige that replaced the old titles of Sveriges Arvfurste and Sveriges Prinsessa. However, whereas a wife of a Prins av Sverige could, by courtesy, be also called a Prinsessa av Sverige, that is not Daniel's case as his wife is still entitled Sveriges Kronprinsessa, whereas he is a Prins av Sverige rather than Sveriges Kronpris, suggesting a title suo jure rather than a courtesy title.

Daniel, however, is not in the line of succession to be a Prins av Sverige in his own right and cannot get the title from the King, as the King has no legal power to grant any title. Should we interpret his title then just as an honorific dynastic title as the Swedish royal duchy titles are now interpreted, in which case the King is able to give the title in his condition as Head of the Royal House ? It is all very confusing to me !
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