Daniel's Future: Discussion (his role, title, orders, pressure etc.)


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Actually if you look at his bio on the Swedish Royal Family website, you'll notice that Daniel officially has two surnames: Westling Bernadotte. His official style and title are HRH Prince Daniel of Sweden, Duke of Vastergotland.
No, prince Daniel doesn't have two surnames, as it's not allowed in Sweden to have two surnames, his surname is Westling, and he have taken his wife's surname as a middle name. Check this reference in Wikipedia: ^ Swedish Tax Agency continually updated public census records available to anyone by telephone (as per name change there after wedding, when he adopted his wife's dynasty name as a middle name and kept his own family name, though neither is used when referring to him as prince) Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
No, prince Daniel doesn't have two surnames, as it's not allowed in Sweden to have two surnames, his surname is Westling, and he have taken his wife's surname as a middle name. Check this reference in Wikipedia: ^ Swedish Tax Agency continually updated public census records available to anyone by telephone (as per name change there after wedding, when he adopted his wife's dynasty name as a middle name and kept his own family name, though neither is used when referring to him as prince) Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh. I didn't realize Sweden didn't allow two surnames. I guess I'd be in trouble then because I have two myself. lol So Bernadotte is his middle name then. Interesting.
 
No, prince Daniel doesn't have two surnames, as it's not allowed in Sweden to have two surnames, his surname is Westling, and he have taken his wife's surname as a middle name. Check this reference in Wikipedia: ^ Swedish Tax Agency continually updated public census records available to anyone by telephone (as per name change there after wedding, when he adopted his wife's dynasty name as a middle name and kept his own family name, though neither is used when referring to him as prince) Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Don´t you mean that Westling is a middlename and Bernadotte the surname?

According to http://www.kungahuset.se then his name is: Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte. Which in my book means that Olof is the forename, Daniel Westling is the middlenames and Bernadotte the surname.
 
Don´t you mean that Westling is a middlename and Bernadotte the surname?

According to http://www.kungahuset.se then his name is: Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte. Which in my book means that Olof is the forename, Daniel Westling is the middlenames and Bernadotte the surname.
It seems that the information on the English version of Wikipedia is wrong, the surname is Bernadotte, Westling is the middle name and Olof Daniel is the given names. A middle name is a surname, not a given name in Sweden. You can have as many given names as you want, but only one middle (sur)name and one surname.
 
i think daniel is doing very good, i would like to see him at more events by him self but i say he is dooing a good job
 
Are there steps to becoming a prince by marriage? And if there is I'm guessing it goes something like this:
1. Etiquette
2.how to wave?
3.formal speech
4.what to do in certain situations
5. Posture?
6.a certain way to smile?
7. How to address other royals and monarchs
Stuff like this,much like princess lessons but for a man. But pretty much I find that Daniel is doing a good job and is calm and professional when at royal events or at meetings.
 
I don't know if it's still the custom now with modern royal couples, but I was looking at it in terms of Prince Phillip with the Queen of England. He's always remained a pace or two behind her in ceremonial occasions as a mark of deference to her position, so I just threw it on the list here.
 
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:previous: In most high-profile political couples/heads of state the "famous/important" one usually precedes the spouse and definitely when escorting a visiting dignitary/head of state while the spouse obliges for the visiting spouse. At the very least, the couple would walk in together and then the "important" one would proceed first followed by the spouse. This seems to apply with most couples discussed here. The only exception seems to be in Denmark, where Henrik usually keeps to Margrethe's side and Mary frequently charges ahead of Frederik.
 
Thanks for the protocol explanation, something then that Daniel would definitely have to adopt in his role.
 
I'm sure he has; I was just referring back to the list of steps that initially started this discussion.
 
I would say that prince Daniel have well mastered the ability to speak in public, for example the press conference after the birth of the little princess. He speaks more easily in public than his father-in-law.
 
I only discovered Daniel about a year ago, I think it is very brave of him to have stepped into this role to be with Victoria; not only the freakin attention but the people staring at you and knowing you are second to your wife and thinking you are a just there to get her pregnant. He has always given me the impression of being rather shy. At the press conference discussing the birth of Estelle he seemed more relaxed and confident than he did during the engagement announcement. So whatever lessons he has had seem to have been working. Good gracious I can just imagine the difficulty in learning about the geography and Sweeden, then again perhaps he has more knowledge of these places than someone like me who still can't name all the states in the US.
 
I gather they don't teach geography in the United States anymore?
 
No, we don't teach much geography any more. It's sad.
 
I learned geography in highschool. I was fairly good at it, but never bothered to learn anything about Europe except it was a continent.
 
And it's not just geography, but also the state capitals. It's a shame that many students don't even know that the city of Albany is the capital of New York state, for example. It's not New York City, even though many of its residents would like to think so!
 
No, we don't teach much geography any more. It's sad.
How odd. I was educated in England and Europe. I had to learn all 50 American states and their capitals. Of course we also learned European geography, as well as the rest of the world. It was more than just their names and capitals, we had to learn about their economies and politics/history as well. I guess it was to prepare us to know the world we would have to do business in.
 
Are there steps to becoming a prince by marriage? And if there is I'm guessing it goes something like this:

1. Etiquette
Check Perfect manners and the model of a futue consort in public! In private I suspect their relationship is a little more equal.
2.how to wave?
Check. Seems to have finessed that at the media call after the birth of their daughter!
3.formal speech
Check. See No 2
4.what to do in certain situations
Same again plus during his increasing solo engagements
5. Posture?
Pretty damned good from what we seen in the media
6.a certain way to smile?
I think the wedding and the aforementioned media briefing certainly showed how well he smiles
7. How to address other royals and monarchs
Check. Doing OK with the in-laws. I'm guessing other royals and monarchs would be a cake-walk after his father-in-law!
Stuff like this,much like princess lessons but for a man. But pretty much I find that Daniel is doing a good job and is calm and professional when at royal events or at meetings.
I think his public persona has been raised cosiderably during the engagement, dream wedding, tear-jecking speech at said wedding and how he aced the media call after the birth of their daughter.

Victoria seems to have found the almost perfect man to walk beside her in life as a husband, father and consort. Check out the first photo of Victoria, Daniel and Estelle walking in the park! It's such a loving and tooth-achingly sweet picture!

Princess Victoria baby: Swedish royal and husband Daniel take little Estelle for a walk - hellomagazine.com
 
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It's actually a bit of mystery what his name/full name is. ;) He is officialy styled as HRH Prince Daniel of Sweden, Duke of Västergötland. The royal court talks about Olof Daniel, Pr of Sweden, Duke of Västergötland, the swedish version calls him Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte, Pr of Sweden, Duke of Västergötland. For legal purposes he is called Olof Daniel Bernadotte Westling, with Bernadotte being his middle name and keeping Westling as his last name. But after the wedding it was said that it would be the exact opposite, moving Westling to middle name spot and last name being Bernadotte. So...at least we know that he goes by Daniel. :ROFLMAO:

According to Wikipedia (not the most reliable source), he is registered with the Swedish Tax Authority as "Westling Bernadotte", not "Bernadotte Westling", so I'd say that, for legal purposes, it is indeed "Westling Bernadotte" and not the other way around.

The Royal Court website no longer lists his full name. Instead, following the convention of omitting family names for members of the Royal House, he is listed only as "Olof Daniel, Prins av Sverige, Hertig av Västergötland" and cited simply as "H.K.H. Prins Daniel".

The legal foundation for his titles of "Prince of Sweden" and "Duke of Västergötland" remains unclear to me though. Unlike his other European counterparts, the King of Sweden, under the Instrument of Government of 1974, doesn't seem to have the power to give titles to anyone, not even members of his own family and there is no official regulation of how the titles are bestowed.

In the past, the title of Prince or Princess in Sweden seemed to be interpreted as a title of the reigning dynasty similar to any title of nobility transmittted in male line. In fact, prior to 1980, any male descendant in male line of King Karl XIV Johan was called an Sveriges Arvfurste (i.e. a "Hereditary Prince of Sweden"), with the heir to the throne in particular being called the Sveriges Kronprins ("Crown Prince of Swden"); a female descendant in male line of Kiing Jarl XIV Johan was called in turn an Sveriges Prinsessa ("Princess of Sweden"). Both the title of Arvfurste and title of Prinsessa, with the associated HRH predicate, could be lost if the title holder violated certain conditions in the Act of Succession. e.g. married unequally; for males in particular, that also meant the loss of succession rights for himself and his descendants, who also became by extension untitled (for females, the penalty was only the title loss , as there were already no succession rights).

With the change in the Act of Succession, the line of succession was restricted to the male and female descendants of King Carl XVI Gustaf only, by order of equal primogeniture. Only possible legal interpretation that is frequently suggested, then, is that all his descendants , who are not excluded from the succession by the situations in the amended law, may now use the new titles of Prins av Sverige and Prinsessa av Sverige that replaced the old titles of Sveriges Arvfurste and Sveriges Prinsessa. However, whereas a wife of a Prins av Sverige could, by courtesy, be also called a Prinsessa av Sverige, that is not Daniel's case as his wife is still entitled Sveriges Kronprinsessa, whereas he is a Prins av Sverige rather than Sveriges Kronpris, suggesting a title suo jure rather than a courtesy title.

Daniel, however, is not in the line of succession to be a Prins av Sverige in his own right and cannot get the title from the King, as the King has no legal power to grant any title. Should we interpret his title then just as an honorific dynastic title as the Swedish royal duchy titles are now interpreted, in which case the King is able to give the title in his condition as Head of the Royal House ? It is all very confusing to me !
 
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I think Daniel is going to be a good consort for Victoria. He seems to be fine with her role these days.
 
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