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Old 06-15-2010, 06:02 PM
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The only Princess titled as such is Princess Christina. She was in a unique situation at the time of her marriage and remained very involved as a royal person as there we no other royal women to help with the representation. She was recognized for all her work and probably also a delayed wedding in order to be available as the highest ranking swedish royal female.

Crownprincess Victoria will not become Mrs Westling. Daniel will become Prince of Sweden instead.
So does this mean that together they will be HKH Kronprinsessan and Prins Daniel of Sweden" (or TRH Crown Princess Victoria and Prince Daniel of Sweden)... and w/o names, more formally, The Crown Princess and Prince of Sweden? I think Daniel is only Prince Daniel and not Crown Prince, or kronprins Daniel, right?
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Old 06-15-2010, 07:13 PM
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So does this mean that together they will be HKH Kronprinsessan and Prins Daniel of Sweden" (or TRH Crown Princess Victoria and Prince Daniel of Sweden)... and w/o names, more formally, The Crown Princess and Prince of Sweden? I think Daniel is only Prince Daniel and not Crown Prince, or kronprins Daniel, right?

At the wedding Daniel will be HRH Prins Daniel of Sweden, Duke of Västergötland as Victoria, HRH The Crown Princess, already are the Duchess of Västergötland. In the future when Victoria will be Sweden's Head of State, a rouling Queen, then will Daniel have the title HRH The Prince Consort, Daniel of Sweden. (See Denmark for ex).
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Old 06-16-2010, 12:35 AM
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^Yeah, that makes sense. It's like it was for Prince Henrik. Only Prince Henrik was from an aristocratic family and a strong diplomatic background. In light of the huge change for Daniel, I guess it was good for him and Victoria to have a long "courtship," if I can be forgiven for using this outmoded expression. I doubt they consider their relationship at all like a courtship. However, I think the longtime relationship and even the long engagement has given him time to feel his way into the system. I mean, it's a heady change from being a private citizen, owning his own business, and then being a public figure, royal consort, etc. Thanks for the answer to my question.
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Old 06-16-2010, 09:10 AM
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The Royal Court announced Daniel's new coat of arms and monogram.
Mr Daniel Westling's coat of arms and monogram are unveiled - Sveriges Kungahus [NS4 version]
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Old 06-16-2010, 06:58 PM
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^Yeah, that makes sense. It's like it was for Prince Henrik. Only Prince Henrik was from an aristocratic family and a strong diplomatic background. In light of the huge change for Daniel, I guess it was good for him and Victoria to have a long "courtship," if I can be forgiven for using this outmoded expression. I doubt they consider their relationship at all like a courtship. However, I think the longtime relationship and even the long engagement has given him time to feel his way into the system. I mean, it's a heady change from being a private citizen, owning his own business, and then being a public figure, royal consort, etc. Thanks for the answer to my question.

I do like what You are writing. And that You have a line saying "Dare to be different".

As far as I understand it is unclear whether knighthood now allow themselves to be defined only by custom. At least not in Sweden, allegedly the world's most egalitarian countries. Is there now any more legal or legal definition of whether a person is a gentleman or not? My guess is that if you saddle ointroducerad included in the list of ointroducerad nobility and aristocracy introduced if it is in the saddle with the calendar.

About the right to ennoble this ceased in Sweden according to the conventional way of looking at things, the end of 1974/1975. Gustav V could explained the earlier Prince Lennart Bernadotte Count as if he had so wished.

Thus, the nobility and the commoners now, given that I understood correctly, only a matter of custom. I may be wrong, because the nobility were abolished priviligier last couple of years ago and it is therefore reasonable in some way joined to make a difference in the nobility and commoners.

If I'm trying to call me Earl, I do not hindered by anything other than that the environment will find that he makes me ridiculous? Is the title of Count legally defined? Is there some kind of "protection of title '? In Sweden there are names protected titles, eg physicians. But I do not think you can not be called Duke if you want.

Sweden's King has obviously, by the Parliamentary state, the right to give Daniel Westling his title HRH Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland. "For Sweden in time" i Carl XVI Gustafs motto ". It is well that modern man has the same status and title as Mette-Marit of Norway and Alexandra of Denmark? I do not know that Daniel did something that would disqualify him in compared with spouses of neighboring Royals? No, I think it can bring an exciting new art all organizations to renew life and Royal houses.
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Old 06-18-2010, 12:16 PM
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Will he get tomorrow the surname Bernadotte or remains he as Westling?
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Prince Daniel will be "His Royal Highness" or not?
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Old 06-20-2010, 10:01 AM
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Prince Daniel will be "His Royal Highness" or not?
Yes, he became "His Royal Highness" yesterday.
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Do you have a link to a royal decree giving the right to be "HRH" to prince Daniel?
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Old 06-20-2010, 11:30 AM
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Herr Daniel Westling blir Prins av Sverige
Vid Kronprinsessbröllopet den 19 juni 2010 kommer Kungen att förordna att Herr Daniel Westling förlänas en prinstitel.
Efter vigseln kommer Herr Daniel Westling att vara Prins av Sverige och medlem av det Kungliga Huset, det vill säga Kunglig Höghet. Han tituleras därefter H.K.H. Prins Daniel. I samband med vigseln blir han också Hertig av Västergötland, eftersom H.K.H Kronprinsessan Victoria är Hertiginna av Västergötland

Herr Daniel Westling blir Prins av Sverige - Sveriges Kungahus [NS4 version]
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Old 06-22-2010, 08:22 AM
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I'm a bit puzzled... Yesterday on the Swedish Royal Court's homepage on Prince Daniel's biography he was referred to as 'Prince Daniel Olof', today the page has changed and he is referred to as 'Olof Daniel, Prince of Sweden, Duke of Västergötland' on the English page (it says H.R.H. Prince Daniel elsewhere on the page) and as 'Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte, Prins av Sverige, Hertig av Västergötland' on the Swedish page...

I thought he was supposed to have no last name from now on, so how come he now has two? And yesterday he was called Daniel Olof, now Olof Daniel. I am aware of the same convention as is used in Finland where you can choose the name you are to be called officially regardless of the order your names are listed in the official papers but still... At least in Finland the official order of the names doesn't change if you choose to be called on your second name for example unless you change your name permanently. So which is it, Daniel Olof or Olof Daniel? Could he be called 'Prince Olof Daniel' officially? Also, is it significant whether he is called 'Prince Daniel of Sweden' or 'Daniel, Prince of Sweden'?
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Old 06-22-2010, 09:10 AM
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Chances are that 'Daniel Olof' was a typo (knowing some of the mistakes the current PR department of the SRF has made, I wouldn't be surprised). Daniel's first name is Olof, his second is Daniel (that is how he and Victoria said their vows on Saturday) - but he uses Daniel as his name though. This doesn't alter the official/legal order of his names, unless he legally changes it.

I don't know why they've included both Westling and Bernadotte as his last names in the biography, when the other members of the family don't have Bernadotte listed as part of their name. Odd - maybe to signify that he married into the family? Also possibly to some how keep the Westling name attached to him, to keep it running?
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Old 06-25-2010, 09:03 PM
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I know I am probably lagging behind with this question but at what point in the proceedings was he given the Order of the Seraphim? All I noticed was that he entered the church not wearing the insignia and came out wearing it.
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Old 06-25-2010, 10:40 PM
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I know I am probably lagging behind with this question but at what point in the proceedings was he given the Order of the Seraphim? All I noticed was that he entered the church not wearing the insignia and came out wearing it.
It was affixed to his jacket when the couple was in the vestibule of the church after the wedding. I noticed that the doors were closed (between the vestibule and the church) after them and then when the outside doors of the cathedral were opened a few minutes later, he was wearing the order & sash.
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Old 06-26-2010, 02:04 PM
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Daniel´s namechange:
Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte
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according to my newspaper Westling is now one of Daniels middlenames and Bernadotte is his lastname - not a double lastname.
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according to my newspaper Westling is now one of Daniels middlenames and Bernadotte is his lastname - not a double lastname.
I believe there will be some fallout from this exception to swedish names that has been granted Daniel. In Sweden you are not allowed to have a last name as a middle name. My son and many friends in the US have given their children the mothers last name as the middle name and the fathers name as the last name. When we file for Swedish passport that middle name is not allowed therefore the Swedish passport only state first and last and consequently does not agree with birth certificates or US passports.
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Once Victoria become queen she will lose her Duchess title?

Therefore Daniel will lose his Duke title as well?
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Once Victoria become queen she will lose her Duchess title?

Therefore Daniel will lose his Duke title as well?
I think so, he'd just be Prince Daniel, the Prince Consort.
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:06 AM
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Once Victoria become queen she will lose her Duchess title?

Therefore Daniel will lose his Duke title as well?

I don't think she'll lose it, she'll just cease to be referred to by it, similar to how it is in the UK. Before she became queen, she was The Princess Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh. After she became queen, she was just The Queen; not HM The Queen, Duchess of Edinburgh. A Queen has a higher rank than a Duchess, so it was dropped. She's still the Duchess of Edinburgh as she's married to the Duke of Edinburgh, but that's not her title anymore.

So I believe the same would apply. As for Daniel, I don't know what he'll be called as there hasn't been a Queen Regnant in Sweden for a long time and I believe the last one was unmarried. I think the convention of the husband of the Queen Regnant being the Prince Consort will happen here as well, although I don't know. There was no precedent for the titles they gave Daniel that he currently has, so we may be shocked, we may not.
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