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Old 05-24-2010, 12:05 PM
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With women its automatic that they get the same style and title as the man they marry which is why Princess Lilian and Queen Silvia are princess and Queen. However with men marrying into the family it's never seen as they automatically that they get the same treatment as women, so everyone also always question what will happen to to them, but in this case it was already stated he will be price and duke so I think it safe to assume he will be HRH. Since the court stated he will be duke and prince they must have thought there was no need to clarify on the HRH, they need to be more clear on things like this. I don't see any reason to give him anything less then HRH.
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Old 05-24-2010, 12:44 PM
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The reason being, men don't take titles and styles from that of their wives. They have to be specifically conferred upon them. Queen Margrethe's husband had to be created Prince Henrik of Denmark, as otherwise he wouldn't have been entitled to it.
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:51 PM
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The reason being, men don't take titles and styles from that of their wives. They have to be specifically conferred upon them. Queen Margrethe's husband had to be created Prince Henrik of Denmark, as otherwise he wouldn't have been entitled to it.
Did Prince Henrik receive the HRH title upon the marriage to the then Crown Princess? If so, was that title granted to him by the then King of Denmark?

Prince Phillip was only made a "HRH, Prince of England" upon royal decree when Queen Elizabeth II was Queen, because previously he was only known as the Duke of Edinburgh. Her father, King George, didn't grant him the title, rather, all children born to the then Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh were styled with the HRH Prince/Princess.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:11 PM
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He will be HRH Prince Daniel. It would not be right to give him a title higher than that because he will then be "higher" in rank than Victoria. We know that can't happen. I think Daniels HRH title is expected since he's marrying the heir to the throne. But in Jonas' case...didn't the King and Queen "give" him the duke title?
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Well the Aftonbladet reporter has only gone and said it this morning in a reply to a question on her blog again

"Daniel will not have the title His Royal Highness.
it is reserverd for people who were born Royal"

Kungen för Victoria till altaret - hovet och kungen bekräftar « Hovbloggen

We know this is not true as we have Lillian as an example and so the confusion continues......


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Old 05-25-2010, 06:32 AM
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Did Prince Henrik receive the HRH title upon the marriage to the then Crown Princess? If so, was that title granted to him by the then King of Denmark?

Prince Phillip was only made a "HRH, Prince of England" upon royal decree when Queen Elizabeth II was Queen, because previously he was only known as the Duke of Edinburgh. Her father, King George, didn't grant him the title, rather, all children born to the then Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh were styled with the HRH Prince/Princess.
Prince Henrik became HRH Prince of Denmark at his marriage to Margrethe. But Margrethe ws only heiress presumptive not Crown Princess. They same for the 3 dutch Princes Hendrik, Bernhard and Claus. They became HRH prince of the Netherlands at their marriage days. Prince Philip was created Duke of Edinburgh etc. with HRH the day before his marriage. And in 1957 he was created a Prince of the UK.
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Well the Aftonbladet reporter has only gone and said it this morning in a reply to a question on her blog again


"Daniel will not have the title His Royal Highness.
it is reserverd for people who were born Royal"



We know this is not true as we have Lillian as an example and so the confusion continues......

Although the situation with Lillian is a bit different because as wife she automatically takes the titles and styles of her husband, nothing prevents them from giving Daniel the style of His Royal Highness in his own right if they wish to do so.
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I seriously doubt that CP Victoria would accept anything less than H.K.H. for Daniel. Victoria may seem soft and giggly but she is a woman of steel. Very strong and totally dedicated to her role and to the future of the monarchy as well as making it relevant for Sweden. I put my money on her being escorted down the isle by her father and Daniel being H.K.H.
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Old 05-26-2010, 01:48 PM
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Daniel Westling may become the title HRH Prince Daniel. Anette Wallner from the Royal Court's Information Department told to the SVT´s Rapport, that they are discussing about Daniel´s title and the decision hasn´t been made yet. The King decides about the title and it will be announced on Sunday, said Annika Sönnerberg from the Royal Court's Information Department.
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Old 05-26-2010, 01:52 PM
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I don't understand why he won't be made HRH?
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Old 05-26-2010, 03:32 PM
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Daniel Westling may become the title HRH Prince Daniel. Anette Wallner from the Royal Court's Information Department told to the SVT´s Rapport, that they are discussing about Daniel´s title and the decision hasn´t been made yet. The King decides about the title and it will be announced on Sunday, said Annika Sönnerberg from the Royal Court's Information Department.
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I think he def. should be HRH. I can't see why not?
CP Victoria will be the Queen of Sweden and it's only natural not to mention IMO fair to Daniel to become HRH.
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Old 05-26-2010, 03:37 PM
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Yes, he should get a HRH. But when the engagement was published, the court stated: "In connection with the wedding Mr. Westling will be invested with the title Prince Daniel, Duke of Västergötland."
Engagement between Crown Princess Victoria and Daniel Westling - Sveriges Kungahus
Obviously the king may have come to second thoughts.
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Old 05-26-2010, 03:38 PM
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I can't understand how after a year and half no decision has been made, when it's such a simple one. It would be very awkward if he doesn't get HRH, and even more so when Carl Phlip gets married his wife will get HRH. Or is this courts failing to be clear again?
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Obviously this HRH is a serious title. I read somewhere that Diana cried for days when hers was taken away. I don't see the big deal. He's marrying a CP. I think he should have the HRH title. But isn't it done like that? I thought when a man marries a crown princess/queen he would be given HRH regardless.
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It would be very awkward if he doesn't get HRH
But it would have been even more awkward, if the press department would have gotten this one right.
3.5 weeks before the wedding is maybe not the time to fire ones team, but I hope after the wedding, the king will make a decision.
He does need a second Elisabeth Tarras Wahlberg and someone, who is familiar with modern communication.

Personally I think this does mean, he will receive the HRH.
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CP Victoria is a very determined lady. I can not imagine Daniel not being H.K.H.. Carl Gustaf may be the King but he has two bosses, Silvia and Victoria and they both have his ear.
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I'm glad someone finally asked the question about HRH. I think with the first of the banns on Sunday we can take it as read he will get the styling and it will be announced at it.

If not it will be the most embarassing episode yet from the court press as when the media asks whats the decision all the srf will be in the room with cameras everywhere,gonna make for one heck of a picture if the answer is no HRH.
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Daniel could be made HRH: report
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Old 05-28-2010, 06:46 AM
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I think it would be unfortunate not to give him HRH status, particularly since Princess Lillian has it, as do other spouses of crown princes. And if Prince CP's spouse can have it, it would be very wrong for Daniel not to. It would kind of look bad if they didn't after saying he might in the press too. Also, if the King doesn't and later Victoria does as queen, then it leaves the door opened to people questioning how much the king really approved of Daniel.
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Well there has to be some reasons as to why he won't get the HRH. I thought it came with marriage.
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