Crown Princess Victoria's Wedding Suggestions & Musings

[Boris]

The boat which was used to go back to Stockholm Palace after the carriage ride was the Royal Barge 'Vasaorden'.
It was last seen 'at work' during the state visit of the Japanese Imperial couple to Sweden in the year 2000. The wedding would be a great occasion to bring it out again, but - warning: The barge surly comes with practical restrictions for the wedding gown...

[ruthieviews]

For the last time, could all the naysayers stop referring to Daniel Westling as the "personal trainer" or the "fitness instructor." It's like they are holding their noses and saying "gadzooks our esteemed Crown Princess is marrying "that gym person." Well, "that gym person" is a gentlemen who has brought more happiness to CP Victoria than all the doubters and snobs put together. He has treated her like a rare jewel and has always been there for her. He does protect her. He has never, ever discussed her with reporters or gossip magazines. For seven years, he has been silent as a stone on the subject of their relationship. No scandal, no embarrassing moments, and except for a tax problem that wasn't, he has not put a foot wrong.

And for those who think he is "uneducated," I call your attention to the fact that he has parlayed one fitness club into a large business with five locations and an investment in Brazil. He is probably smarter than many of the royals, some of whom suffer from learning disabilities. He is a successful business man who has developed successful business connections. He appears to be well liked by the rest of the royal children and their significant others. He is loyal to his old friends and appreciated by his new ones. He seems to be very welcome wherever he goes.

Instead of sniffing and snorting and trying to replace him with a stuffy available royal, get to know him and appreciate the quality of the man. He is already a prince. If you don't believe me, just ask CP Victoria.

[rop81]

Originally Posted by ruthieviews

For the last time, could all the naysayers stop referring to Daniel Westling as the "personal trainer" or the "fitness instructor." It's like they are holding their noses and saying "gadzooks our esteemed Crown Princess is marrying "that gym person." Well, "that gym person" is a gentlemen who has brought more happiness to CP Victoria than all the doubters and snobs put together. He has treated her like a rare jewel and has always been there for her. He does protect her. He has never, ever discussed her with reporters or gossip magazines. For seven years, he has been silent as a stone on the subject of their relationship. No scandal, no embarrassing moments, and except for a tax problem that wasn't, he has not put a foot wrong.

And for those who think he is "uneducated," I call your attention to the fact that he has parlayed one fitness club into a large business with five locations and an investment in Brazil. He is probably smarter than many of the royals, some of whom suffer from learning disabilities. He is a successful business man who has developed successful business connections. He appears to be well liked by the rest of the royal children and their significant others. He is loyal to his old friends and appreciated by his new ones. He seems to be very welcome wherever he goes.

Instead of sniffing and snorting and trying to replace him with a stuffy available royal, get to know him and appreciate the quality of the man. He is already a prince. If you don't believe me, just ask CP Victoria.

Well said!!

My highest wish now is that they make the wedding an afternoon-wedding so that it will be in full gala There have been a lot "facts" in the newspaper about what the wedding will be like and they mostly seems to belive that the wedding will be an noon-wedding (like the king & Queens) wich meens no tiaras....

[Lena]

Originally Posted by rop81

Well said!!

My highest wish now is that they make the wedding an afternoon-wedding so that it will be in full gala There have been a lot "facts" in the newspaper about what the wedding will be like and they mostly seems to belive that the wedding will be an noon-wedding (like the king & Queens) wich meens no tiaras....

Well, for me it seems pretty sure, it will be an afternoon wedding with tiaras...just as I was always "knowing", Victoria would marry in late spring or summer.

What I am wondering...nearly all of Victoria´s Swedish friends had afternoon weddings with white tie for men...is this a general trend in Sweden?
The former generation (so the one the king&queen are belonging to)...were they in majority going for noon weddings or afternoon weddings?

[Penny Royalty]

They should make the reception big. I think they should invite as many people as they can because everyone likes a party. They have the opportunity to really make an impact on their people and have a big festival and remember the day to no end. But that would be me. I'm a dreamer that grew up rejoicing through my youthful upbringing where it was good to have a good time regardless.

I only wish that CP Victoria and Daniel satisfy their own yearnings and desires and never look back with regret for not having lit their lives according to their sweetest heir loom. Meaning that I hope they flame like fire within their throne and kindle an everlasting burning that keeps us all at home. If these two World leaders show us how to get through life's storms then we will always be at their mercy and forever grateful. Long may they live if they can do just that. Cheers to them and to us. It's good to be a King. Good luck.

[lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Ella Kay

It would be adorable if her royal godchildren were bridesmaids and pages! That would include, I think, Prince Christian of Denmark, Princess Ingrid Alexandra of Norway, Princess Catharina-Amalia of The Netherlands, and Prince Constantine of Greece. (Princess Eleanore of Belgium, I imagine, would still be too small.)

That would be wonderful if they were flower girls and pages.
Eléonore would be two at the time, maybe with a holding hand.

Originally Posted by Royal Fan

O Yes thats probably more likely wonder if the Princesses will be each others Maids of Honor?

That would be lovely. Somehow I don't think so though. :(

Originally Posted by Soli Deo Gloria

This is correct, and I really hope they wont break the Swedish tradition: the bride and the groom walking together.
Two grown up people who made a common decision to get married, walking together into the church to make their promises in front of God and all the guests...sooooo beautiful and right!

When I got married it was no discussion at all about this. I would never ever let my father give me away like something he owned to another man to own. Im not a THING, but a human being, grown up woman... big no no no! (I was 29 -Victoria is going to be 33, 15 years since she turned 18...) ... And to walk into the church on my wedding day together w another man than my husband to be no way!
Me and my husband was walking togheter ( bride to the left when you walk in, and to the right when you walk out). This is the Swedish way and tradition.
But I know, some wedding couples in Sweden want the old father to handle over the bride... they have seen movies from USA and GB and other europe and think thats the way to do it, but its totally against the tradition in Sweden. I dont like it. I will be VERY disapointed if Victoria is given away (just listen to how it sounds -given away) by the King...Victoria and Daniel are toghether into this, lets hope they walk together into the church!

I like the tradition, but a father walking the bride into the church is a wonderful thing aswell. Not a trading or handing over as you suggest.

Originally Posted by ruthieviews

For the last time, could all the naysayers stop referring to Daniel Westling as the "personal trainer" or the "fitness instructor." It's like they are holding their noses and saying "gadzooks our esteemed Crown Princess is marrying "that gym person." Well, "that gym person" is a gentlemen who has brought more happiness to CP Victoria than all the doubters and snobs put together. He has treated her like a rare jewel and has always been there for her. He does protect her. He has never, ever discussed her with reporters or gossip magazines. For seven years, he has been silent as a stone on the subject of their relationship. No scandal, no embarrassing moments, and except for a tax problem that wasn't, he has not put a foot wrong.

And for those who think he is "uneducated," I call your attention to the fact that he has parlayed one fitness club into a large business with five locations and an investment in Brazil. He is probably smarter than many of the royals, some of whom suffer from learning disabilities. He is a successful business man who has developed successful business connections. He appears to be well liked by the rest of the royal children and their significant others. He is loyal to his old friends and appreciated by his new ones. He seems to be very welcome wherever he goes.

Instead of sniffing and snorting and trying to replace him with a stuffy available royal, get to know him and appreciate the quality of the man. He is already a prince. If you don't believe me, just ask CP Victoria.

I agree with everything you say. But it would be hard to as CP Victoria don't you think?

[MARG]

I am unsure of the wedding ettiquette, historically, of the Swedish Royal Family. So whichever way they pull it together I am sure it will be beautifully done.

In support of the notion of the father walking his daughter down the aisle I have to admit the symbolism is wonderful. Contrary to some poster's view that that treats the bride like property they totally miss the point. Up until the day his little girl marries, a father is responsible for the health and happiness of those that depend upon him. Him! Not the paycheck etc, but Dad, every little girl's hero.

When he walks her up the aisle she is his little girl and he is going to symbolically give her hand in marriage to the man whom she loves. She will always be his little girl but he puts her hand in the hand of the man she loves as a woman. That's not to say that if he doesn't treat his beloved daughter right all bets are off!

As to the Swedish way of church weddings, the more I hear the more I want to know. Swedish royalty? More please.

[MARG]

Originally Posted by ruthieviews

And for those who think he is "uneducated . . . . . . . . . He is probably smarter than many of the royals, some of whom suffer from learning disabilities. . . . . .

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people confuse a "superior education" with a "superior intellect". Victoria is well educated, yes, but her other skills have been learned "on the job" so to speak.

And, as a friend of mine once commented while attending a wedding "You know it's odd, you see men walk down the aisle with totally vaccuum packed Bimbos all the time but I have yet to see a woman walk down the aisle with a vaccuum packed Himbo". I think there must be a lot more to Victoria's Daniel than we have been allowed to see.

Originally Posted by ruthieviews

Instead of sniffing and snorting and trying to replace him with a stuffy available royal, get to know him and appreciate the quality of the man. He is already a prince. If you don't believe me, just ask CP Victoria.

Up until now we have not been privilged to see Victoria and Daniel together in "her" world. All our opinions have been based on the smallest of opportunities. I am dying to see what Victoria sees.

ps. I know this doesn't belong here but I dont know how to quote posts interthread.

[Laurentienne]

Originally Posted by ruthieviews

For the last time, could all the naysayers stop referring to Daniel Westling as the "personal trainer" or the "fitness instructor." It's like they are holding their noses and saying "gadzooks our esteemed Crown Princess is marrying "that gym person." Well, "that gym person" is a gentlemen who has brought more happiness to CP Victoria than all the doubters and snobs put together. He has treated her like a rare jewel and has always been there for her. He does protect her. He has never, ever discussed her with reporters or gossip magazines. For seven years, he has been silent as a stone on the subject of their relationship. No scandal, no embarrassing moments, and except for a tax problem that wasn't, he has not put a foot wrong.

And for those who think he is "uneducated," I call your attention to the fact that he has parlayed one fitness club into a large business with five locations and an investment in Brazil. He is probably smarter than many of the royals, some of whom suffer from learning disabilities. He is a successful business man who has developed successful business connections. He appears to be well liked by the rest of the royal children and their significant others. He is loyal to his old friends and appreciated by his new ones. He seems to be very welcome wherever he goes.

Instead of sniffing and snorting and trying to replace him with a stuffy available royal, get to know him and appreciate the quality of the man. He is already a prince. If you don't believe me, just ask CP Victoria.

I totally agree with you!

I wish CP Victoria and Mr Westling a happy weddingday and a happy and blessed life together.

When it comes to the wedding, I "see" CP Victoria in a white dress with long and classic lines. It would be nice with a neckline kind of like the one princess Laurentien had back in 2001. The dress has a train, of course, and her veil is from some thin fabric. I don't think of CP Victoria as having too much ruffles, embroidery or laces, but there might be some of it, but very toned down.

I can't wait to see her as a bride! I cannot wait to see the lovely couple!!

I wonder if she will wear the same tiara as her mother did? The "cameo" (or what it is called in English) I don't think that would be the nicest one for her though, but I think she might show up in it.

[LadyFinn]

Så blir deras drömbröllop | Nyheter | Aftonbladet
Information and guesses about the wedding and the guest list.

Exactly one year to wait!

[Lena]

GB is also marking "one year before the wedding" and asked Roger Lundgren (editor in chief of QUEEN and blogger on TV4.se) and Catarina Hurtig (author on Royal books and freelancer) a few questions on the wedding
They answered quite realistic IMO

1.Who will get invited?
Victoria´s godparents Queen Beatrix and king Harald are for sure.
Same for the king´s sisters, their children and relatives from Germany. All of the same age group out of the Scandi houses and representatives out of other Royal houses.
Catarina Hurtig (CH) can also imagine Thailand´s Royal family and the emperor and empress of Japan
Further Tarja Halonen, members of the governments and official Sweden are to expect. Besides friends of V&D.
No ordinary ppl and neither, Wills, Harry and the British Queen

2. How many guests?
Storkyrkan (the cathedral) offers space for 1200 ppl. Besides it can get crowded at the dinner with so many guests.
Distant relatives and Daniel´s school buddies from Ockelbo would maybe sit and eat in an other room than the Royals.

3. Who will marry the couple
Archbishop Anders Wejryd

4. How many festivities to expect?
Festivities for 3 days. Starting at Thursday for the youngsters, both Royals and friends. Probably at Cafe Opera or Drottningholm. Invitation by V&D
On Friday Government and Parliament would invite for a big gala/performance at the Opera...or Stockholm´s city hall.
The wedding would be on Saturday, probably in the afternoon. A tour (carriage?) through Stholm would follow and hopefully a kiss on the balcony.
Later a dinner and ball at the castle would follow with the couple starting the dance.

5. The menue?
Swedish specialities, caviar (kalixlöjrom), salmon, seafood, venison, cheese from Ockelbo, something from Västergötland. For dessert fresh raspberries from Solliden.

6. How can those watch, who aren´t invited?
Via big screens in Sthlm, probably also Ockelbo. Both SVT and TV4 will broadcast live

7. Who will design V´s gown?
Clearly completely by a Swede and not Dior (like Mamma)
Per Engshäden is Roger´s hottest guess (since he had also designed the latest dresses for her), or Wallin. Göran Alfredsson is the favourite of CH.

8. Bridal bouquet?
Roses from Drottningholm or Solliden. Maybe heather from Västergötland

9. Daniel´s clothes?
If an afternoon wedding...white tie. No Armani, but done by Götrich (where also the king is getting his suits from) Probably the king would give Daniel the serafim order before the wedding.

10. Bachelorette party...organised by?
Victoria´s old friends from Enskilda gymnasiet, the two Carolines (Dinkelspiel and Kreuger-Nilsson), Andrea Engsäll, Martina Bonde. According to CH taking place in Paris or NYC

11. And the bachelor party?
Peder Dinkelspiel together with Daniel´s friends from Obo

12. Flower children and bridemaids?
Estelle de Geer (grandchild of Princess Desiree) will be flower child. Bridemaids: the two Carolines (who have a deal with Victoria since 100 years ago)

13. Wishes for gifts?
A wedding foundation...to give money instead of gifts. The foundation would be maybe about sports or donating (organs)

14. Honeymoon?
Brazil...where they would meet relatives (who couldn´t attend the wedding)
Or Kenya, where the RF has friends.

15. Move to Haga Castle, when?
The king would want them to marry first and it still needs time to change it from conference house to family home

16. First baby, when?
Within a year (both are thinking...)

17. Costs of the wedding and who will pay?
In Denmark it costed about 20-30 mio SEK and the taxpayers will pay

18. The wedding...meaning for Sweden?
Lots of blabla...PR and such...and if the crisis would be still current, it could push the self confidence of the Swedes (when Charles married Di it was the same and so GB came out of a crisis back then. Ehm, ja )

19. What titles for Daniel?
Prince and Duke of Västergötland

20. His job?
Passive role in his gyms. Main task is to support Victoria

21. Daniel´s Royal education?
Rumours say PR pros were involved, but the only one, who can really teach him the new life is Victoria. None is as good as her. Also Silvia will "drill" (their wording) her s-i-l

Allt inför den stora festen - Sverige - Göteborgs-Posten (with picture special)

[Angelica]

Originally Posted by ruthieviews

For the last time, could all the naysayers stop referring to Daniel Westling as the "personal trainer" or the "fitness instructor." It's like they are holding their noses and saying "gadzooks our esteemed Crown Princess is marrying "that gym person." Well, "that gym person" is a gentlemen who has brought more happiness to CP Victoria than all the doubters and snobs put together. He has treated her like a rare jewel and has always been there for her. He does protect her. He has never, ever discussed her with reporters or gossip magazines. For seven years, he has been silent as a stone on the subject of their relationship. No scandal, no embarrassing moments, and except for a tax problem that wasn't, he has not put a foot wrong.

And for those who think he is "uneducated," I call your attention to the fact that he has parlayed one fitness club into a large business with five locations and an investment in Brazil. He is probably smarter than many of the royals, some of whom suffer from learning disabilities. He is a successful business man who has developed successful business connections. He appears to be well liked by the rest of the royal children and their significant others. He is loyal to his old friends and appreciated by his new ones. He seems to be very welcome wherever he goes.

Instead of sniffing and snorting and trying to replace him with a stuffy available royal, get to know him and appreciate the quality of the man. He is already a prince. If you don't believe me, just ask CP Victoria.

Finally someone to tell those people to stop!

[Marengo]

Amen Ruthie!

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And with the above message as food for thought I suggest we cease the discussion of Daniel's suitability and remarks about his background. This thread is about suggestions for Victoria's wedding, so let's stick to that.

Note that your insights about the engagement can be discussed here. His carreer as entrepeneur in health clubs can be discussed here; and the education of Daniel can be discussed here and we also have a thread where Daniel's suitablility can be discussed, which is here. Please note that the last thread is not inviting anybody to post belittling or catty remarks.

More replies that are unrelated to the topic of this thread will be moved or deleted at moderator discretion.

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[Ccile]

Do you think there will be big pre- wedding festivities like for Frederik and Mary's wedding??? because it seems that in Sweden there 's already a lot of troubles with the cost of the wedding! maybe it's just a minority??? I don't know!

[Boris]

There's not 'a lot of trouble already' regarding the weddoing costs. They are merely being discussed now, figuring out what is going to be paid by the King and what the state will pay for, which is not surprising.
If we take the Norwegian and the Danish weddings as examples, they both cost around 2 million Euro, so the budget has to be drawn up - business as usual.
In the Danish wedding, there were two gala events before the actual wedding; in Sweden, there will certainly be at least one pre-wedding gala, as it was at the King's wedding as well.

[hamlet]

i understood this to mean a wedding gift.

A gift that will assure her thoughts and memory are never compromised. Technology that will assure no matter what car she is in will not move until it meets the requirements set out by her as a passenger for safe travel. This was inspired by a family member.

Peace

[muriel]

I hope the wedding or related events include at least one tiara event for the gathered European royalty, and that there are a lot of pictures of the events.

[pamk]

I do hope that Victoria wears the cameo tiara - it is so regal and so unusual - As for the gown, it will be very simple, I'm sure as that is Victoria's style -

[LadyFinn]

The wedding day is 19th June 2010, it´s confirmed at the official website of the Swedish Court.
Royalcourt.se/Vigsel mellan Kronprinsessan Victoria och herr Daniel Westling
Crown princess Victoria and Daniel Westling will get married at Storkyrkan, the Stockholm Cathedral.

[Sister Morphine]

The Cameo Tiara is ugly, IMO. If you like it, that's great.....but I just think it looks awful. I'd like to see her wearing the Connaught Tiara, if possible. As for her dress, I think she'd look fabulous in this:

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/941...oriadress1.jpg

Now that dress has a short bolero jacket over it because it's strapless and I doubt she'd want to wear a strapless dress in church. I would, but I'm not royalty. This is the back of the dress, should she choose to take the short jacket off at the reception:


http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/751...dressback1.jpg


Very chic. Now, here's another dress I think she'd look fabulous in:


http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/835...oriadress2.jpg


and the back --> http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/332...dressback2.jpg

Now....bridesmaids. I'm guessing her sister will be her Maid of Honor or whatever the equivalent to that is in Swedish culture. Here is what I would dress the attendants in if I had that power:


http://www.therosedress.com/picuploa...NX2015pic1.jpg

the back: http://www.therosedress.com/picuploa...NX2015pic1.jpg

detail of the bodice: http://www.therosedress.com/picuploa...NX2015pic1.jpg


I love the color and think something dark would contrast very well with the white/ivory/eggshell/cream that Victoria will be wearing.