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her yale semester was really only a few semesters, far away from the 4 years undergrad courses they have got. i suppose she really doesnt have a degree then yet. didnt know she had never finished in sweden. but remeber: legastenic (is that how you write it in english??) cases are having a hard time at university, has nothing to do with intelligents...
still, looks rather odd not to have a degree nowadays....
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12 years school-finished with final exam, which allow her to go to the university

2 terms at a French university (to learn French),

5 terms various studies as special student at Yale,

1 month special course on conflict resolution at Uppsala university
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I dont think she has a degree.
Her studies in France didnt result in a degree and she didnt get one at Yale either as she was there as a special student. The only things she got was a diploma =)
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How is that perceived in Sweden, Yennie?
Given that the CP's of the other countries all did military duty and got a degre.
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Some Happy Pics. Of Vic. On Graduation Day, she looks so happy in these

Don't lose that hat!
CP can barely breathe in all those ribbons and flowers
Wonder what she's saying here
What a happy day for her.
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I would really like it, if she would study a little bit (or a little bit more->degree?) economy at university.
You are very right in that, Lena.
She is to my knowledge the only person among the Crown Person set, who has no degree. Why, is what I wonder ?
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I would really like it, if she would study a little bit (or a little bit more->degree?) economy at university.
You are very right in that, Lena.
She is to my knowledge the only person among the Crown Person set, who has no degree. Why, is what I wonder ?
I guess her dyslexia is the reason...but I think with tutors she could straighten out this deficit...
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She is to my knowledge the only person among the Crown Person set, who has no degree. Why, is what I wonder ?
The reason Crown Princess Victoria has no university degrees (just like her father), is that the Royal Court and the Royal House have always thought it best that the Monarch and the Heir who is to become Monarch one day, should be well-educated but general-knowledge persons. Meaning, they can have special interests (which both she and The King does), but it is considered best for the future Monarch to prepare for their job by attending, in Victoria’s case, Queen school since the day of their graduation from school when they take on a larger role in the country and the family.

This means that they get academic studies (she has diplomas) in some areas, and supplement it with studies at for the Government, the Parliament, government agencies, the defence, organisations, the trade and industry/business world, unions, the EU delegation, the UN etc. etc.

I personally think that Victoria couldn’t have a better foundation to stand on with her both broad and deep knowledge in the back.
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She is to my knowledge the only person among the Crown Person set, who has no degree. Why, is what I wonder ?
The reason Crown Princess Victoria has no university degrees (just like her father), is that the Royal Court and the Royal House have always thought it best that the Monarch and the Heir who is to become Monarch one day, should be well-educated but general-knowledge persons.
I personally think that Victoria couldn’t have a better foundation to stand on with her both broad and deep knowledge in the back.
I understand that it is important that CP Victoria prepare to one day become Queen and takes part in special programs to help with this. However, I really think she should at the very least have gotten a university degree in something like political science or international affairs. Surely she could have gotten a degree before attending so-called 'Queen School', especially since it will most likely be awhile before she ascenes to the throne. I am in university myself, and I find it ironic that so many people my age out there today cannot or struggle to afford to pay for university, that the CP who can more than afford it but does not have a degree. I know the CP has studied at Yale and in France, but still I think she should have gotten a degree.
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She is to my knowledge the only person among the Crown Person set, who has no degree. Why, is what I wonder ?
The reason Crown Princess Victoria has no university degrees (just like her father), is that the Royal Court and the Royal House have always thought it best that the Monarch and the Heir who is to become Monarch one day, should be well-educated but general-knowledge persons. Meaning, they can have special interests (which both she and The King does), but it is considered best for the future Monarch to prepare for their job by attending, in Victoria’s case, Queen school since the day of their graduation from school when they take on a larger role in the country and the family.

This means that they get academic studies (she has diplomas) in some areas, and supplement it with studies at for the Government, the Parliament, government agencies, the defence, organisations, the trade and industry/business world, unions, the EU delegation, the UN etc. etc.

I personally think that Victoria couldn’t have a better foundation to stand on with her both broad and deep knowledge in the back.
The other plus of not being 100% educated with a degree, imho, is that it could be said (and please take the following with moderation) that an element of naivety need not be replaced with fully educated reasoning. Its not as well worded as I hoped, but I hope I get the impression across .....
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In sweden it is not uncommen to go back to scholl when one is older. My class at Univerity has a range of students in different ages...
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Do you think Victoria will return to university as a "mature student" ?
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Do you think Victoria will return to university as a "mature student" ?
That i can tell you i do not know her mayself but sure it can be a possibility
maybe take a class one at the time for a longer period to get a degree
I have freinds that do so work then some school then work again, sometimes taking evening classes or summer classes or do it at a distance.

you do not have to go back to school as a mature student
is you then means the age 40+

my class have many students at the age of 28 - 33 we have a few older and many younger most of us are about 23 - 26 maybe I am 25 and have one term left
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Hm, GrandDuchess we had this discussion already before at the Royal blue board...and I still think the same. My guess is, that that what you´ve written (that the court thinks that the future monarchs "should be well-educated but general-knowledge persons") was an little excuse of the court/Royal family. The Royal court (Victoria) wasn´t very open about the dyslexia of the King and the crown princess before 2002, so it was/is probably easier to say, that a degree wouldn´t make much sense... Further Victoria was already inscribed/matriculated at Uppsala university (This is from Yennie´s yahoo-club ... Club->look at Rare pictures ...btw Yennie from where is this...did you were at Victoria´s home and did you have copied it there ? ). But then her anorexia/bulimia thwarted her plans and she started different courses at Yale. So it was actually planned to study political science and probably also to get a degree in it.
I can understand that the king didn´t get a degree. Then it wasn´t that common among european Royals, and people also didn´t know much about dyslexia, further his grandfather-the king was already very old, when Carl Gustaf finished school. So it was surely better to teach him more practical things and less theory. But Victoria has a high chance to have far more time until she will succeed her father, so IMO she should really try to get a degree...esp. because her colleagues in the other monarchies got one!
And like Josefine I also know a lot of students who are older than 25 (A friend of mine is 33, mother of a 13 year old son and we are often in the same courses/classes at university...). So there would be no problem to start university now or later (when her kids start school)!

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Hm, GrandDuchess we had this discussion already before at the Royal blue board...and I still think the same. My guess is, that that what you´ve written (that the court thinks that the future monarchs "should be well-educated but general-knowledge persons") was an little excuse of the court/Royal family. The Royal court (Victoria) wasn´t very open about the dyslexia of the King and the crown princess before 2002, so it was/is probably easier to say, that a degree wouldn´t make much sense... Further Victoria was already inscribed/matriculated at Uppsala university (This is from Yennie´s yahoo-club ... Club->look at Rare pictures ...btw Yennie from where is this...did you were at Victoria´s home and did you have copied it there ? ). But then her anorexia/bulimia thwarted her plans and she started different courses at Yale. So it was actually planned to study political science and probably also to get a degree in it.
I can understand that the king didn´t get a degree. Then it wasn´t that common among european Royals, and people also didn´t know much about dyslexia, further his grandfather-the king was already very old, when Carl Gustaf finished school. So it was surely better to teach him more practical things and less theory. But Victoria has a high chance to have far more time until she will succeed her father, so IMO she should really try to get a degree...esp. because her colleagues in the other monarchies got one!
And like Josefine I also know a lot of students who are older than 25 (A friend of mine is 33, mother of a 13 year old son and we are often in the same courses/classes at university...). So there would be no problem to start university now or later (when her kids start school)!

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Yeah a University degree would be a good idea and finally she starts a career as university teacher. So she does not have to care if the parliament abolishs monarchy or not!
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I think that the tradition in our Royal House of Monarchs and their Heir being well-educated but general-knowledge persons is a really good thing! For some of you, it sounds like having a university degree is like an end in itself, not thinking about the special situation and life of the one it concerns.

Crown Princess Victoria has her special interests, and those she has been able to grow both by her university studies (from which she has diplomas) and exclusive opportunities to follow high profile persons, international organizations etc. etc. Her educational and experience programmes with the Government, the Parliament, government agencies, the defence, the Swedish Trade Council, organisations, unions, the EU delegation, the UN and other international organisations and institutes has provided her with exactly the kind of experience she needs and wants to have. No normal person in the world could ever get all these perks that she has gotten!

The only reason Crown Princess Victoria didn’t go to Uppsala University but moved abroad to go to Yale University was her anorexia. There were a lot of rumours about her having anorexia the months before, the press was really on a witch hunt, showing picture of her tiny body in the papers and writing speculate articles. When finally the Royal Court decided that it was really best to make an official statement, rather than leaving it to the press to speculate on – they also decided that it was best for the Crown Princess to move to the USA for a while so that she could get some peace, and good treatment from specialists. So a friend went with her as she moved to a family in Connecticut, and the press respected her privacy while under treatment.


Observation because of an earlier post – University & college education in Sweden is free.
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I hope I didn´t gave the impression of being snobby and to think, that people with an university degree are "better". I just think it´s such a pity, that she hasn´t one/won´t get one, because all the other crown princes have one.
Further I think theoretical and practical education would complete each other perfectly! Because IMO there´s one little problem, when you do only practicals and later a job, where you have to do a lot of colloquies and where you have to show your personal views on things and your knowledge... in pracitcals you only learn from a little group of people. So you just get to know a very limited rate/amount of opinions, and these opinons are often very subjective. Of course teachers/tutors/professors at university also tell you a little bit of their own opinions, but a lot of things there are standardised. I (and also people I know, who are studying completely different things) often suffer from all this theory (a lot of figures, statistics, things you just have to learn by rote), but after a while you start to notice, that all this theory help you also practically. You start to question things and learn to get an own opinion. This change of school and practice is used in all areas of work...when you want to become a cook you also have to sit down for a longer time and have to study a lot of things...even though the practical skills are more important. But IMO some short practicals, where some people tell you a few anecdotes can´t do the same as a real "school" with other students!
You´ve said she has diplomas, and I know on what you´re refering...but I also know, that Victoria was enrolled in Yale as "special student". As such a student you can rehearse/check out different areas and subjects. And I know that she did this...she has studied geology, french, politics and history...she surely got reports, but I can´t imagine that you get a full diploma, when you study five terms four different subjects! You have to be a genius to do that. So I guess in the end of her studies she got something like a "certificate of honour".
BTW I remember that Victoria said in her birthday-interview in the middle of 1998, that she at least want to finish her studies/get a degree, because if the journalists would ask her one day, what she has done expedient/reasonable in her life, she could at least say, that she has finished her studies!

I hope my words weren´t too harsh...IMO this is an interesting discussion and I´m looking forward, what other people think!
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BTW I remember that Victoria said in her birthday-interview in the middle of 1998, that she at least want to finish her studies/get a degree, because
I wonder what caused her to "put her plans" on hold, in this regard ?
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From Aftonbladet today:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/04...ictoria-29.jpg

Victoria skolas in som drottning

Kronprinsessan får egen stab till hjälp

Nu ska kronprinsessan Victoria skolas till drottning - på riktigt. I oktober inrättas en ny stab av järnladys som ska hjälpa henne med allt från studieprogram till officiella uppdrag.
- Det här är inget glassjobb, säger Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg, chef för den nya avdelningen.

Under de senaste åren har Victorias officiella uppdrag ökat kraftigt. För att underlätta arbetet och skola in Victoria i drottningrollen bildas den 1 oktober kronprinsessans hovstat.
- Vi ska planera, samordna och hjälpa kungabarnen med den officiella verksamheten, berättar Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg som lämnar jobbet som presschef.

Får mer makt
Som chef för den nya avdelningen får hon titeln hovmarskalk och blir en ännu mäktigare person vid hovet. Till sin hjälp får hon Susanne Franchell - Victorias blivande sekreterare som varit utlånad från hovmarskalkämbetet.

Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg, 53, har varit vid hovet i 28 år och kommer att fortsätta vara kronprinsessans mentor. Efter kungen och drottningen är det nu hon som styr och ställer när det gäller Sveriges blivande statschef.
- Kronprinsessan litar på henne till hundra procent och följer alltid hennes råd. Elisabeth är lite som en extramamma för henne, berättar en källa.

Jobbat med Persson
Tarras-Wahlberg stannar också kvar som kungaparets rådgivare i kommunikationsfrågor. Sekreteraren Susanne Franchell, 48, har sedan 1996 arbetat i statsrådsberedningen med Göran Persson.
- Bland annat har jag planerat statsministerns resor. Jag känner att arbetet i den nya organisationen kommer att bli enormt stimulerande och jättekul, säger hon.

Vad krävs för att arbeta med kronprinsessan?
- Hon tycker att man ska vara noggrann, språkkunnig, diplomatisk och vara beredd att hugga i, säger Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg.
Så det är inte bara ett glassjobb med limousiner och representationsmiddagar?
- Absolut inte. Det innebär mycket pyssel och planering, säger hon.

Ann-Christine Jernberg blir tillförordnad presschef vid hovet.
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Article in english about the re-organization at the swedish Royal court and Victoria´s "busy" (I think her last autumn was busier) autumn:

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So it's back to the studies, and this term there's a new course on offer.

You'll learn behaviour at high society functions (converse with the person on your right during the starter, the person on your left during the main course, and so on), the names of significant heads of state (note - may be revised in November) and how best to deal with the press (don't).

It sounds like fun, but unfortunately there's only room for one student on the course - Crown Princess Victoria.

According to Tuesday's Aftonbladet, the heir to Sweden's throne is now beginning official training to become the top dog, the big cheese, the Swede of Swedes. In other words, the queen.

In a country where you aren't considered qualified to apply for a job unless you've picked up a PhD in the subject area beforehand, this week's move from the palace is likely to keep the 'anti-royal birthright' lot quiet for some time to come. No, they'll be told, she's not queen by birth, she's queen because she studied how to be one way back in 2004. Oh, alright then, they'll say.

The smooth continuity of the Swedish royal family has been entrusted to an entourage of "iron ladies", led by Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg, formerly the palace press manager.

"We will plan, coordinate and help the princess with her official activities," she explained.

Victoria is said to trust Tarras-Wahlberg - who has been at the palace for 28 years - entirely, and "always follows her advice".

"Elisabeth is a bit like an extra mother for her," a source told Aftonbladet.

Tarras-Wahlberg will begin grooming Victoria on October 1st but will retain her role as communications advisor to the king and (current) queen. She will be joined by Susanne Franchell who, for the last eight years, has been working with prime minister Göran Persson.

The ladies are said to be very excited about their new job but pointed out that it won't be all about canapés and cocktails.

"There are lots of bits and pieces to sort out," said Tarras-Wahlberg. "The Crown Princess expects one to be diplomatic, organised and eloquent - and to put one's back into any work one does."

In fact, Victoria herself is going to have to put her back into her autumn workload. Tuesday's Expressen reported that as well as her course in Queenology, she has a hectic schedule of royal trips planned, beginning with a state visit to Iceland next week with mum and dad.

Then she'll be off to the paralympics in Athens later in the month and after that - just as you're starting to get a little bit envious - comes a trip to Hungary with business minister Leif Pagrotsky.

And while younger sister Princess Madeleine takes a course in Ethnology at Stockholm University, and younger brother Prince Carl Philip brushes up on his graphic design (useful, that), Victoria will be squeezing in a five-point course in Social Science at the Swedish National Defence College.

The focus will be on peace and conflict studies.

"She is very interested in this subject area and has previously studied it at Uppsala University and during her time in the US," said - oh, her again - Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg.
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