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Old 08-13-2005, 06:13 PM
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Or her if she wants him to trick into
What the hell has Daniel N. to do with Viktoria getting pregnant?
Maybe he wants to be the Daniel that Victoria loves.
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A german mag (which has noted it´s own dynamic by saying "In the first moment you maybe think, this is again about a boring rumour..." ) has collected indications for an engagement. They are sure, that Daniel and Victoria are going ro marry.

Ind #1 Daniel said in summer "you are going to hear more about me"

Ind #2 The rumour about princess Christina moving out from her villa and giving it to Victoria (who would renovate it)

Ind #3 Victoria wearing the chain with the letters. According to the mag a declaration of love and a sign, that Victoria stands by her man.

Ind #4 The news about the Westlings meeting the Bernadottes.

I hate it to say, but I think this time the mag (who has just copied Swedish news) is right. What a pity, that nordicbet has right now no bet on Daniel and Victoria. Now there would be the right moment to make some money...
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Old 08-28-2005, 05:23 PM
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A german mag (which has noted it´s own dynamic by saying "In the first moment you maybe think, this is again about a boring rumour..." ) has collected indications for an engagement. They are sure, that Daniel and Victoria are going ro marry.

Ind #1 Daniel said in summer "you are going to hear more about me"

Ind #2 The rumour about princess Christina moving out from her villa and giving it to Victoria (who would renovate it)

Ind #3 Victoria wearing the chain with the letters. According to the mag a declaration of love and a sign, that Victoria stands by her man.

Ind #4 The news about the Westlings meeting the Bernadottes.

I hate it to say, but I think this time the mag (who has just copied Swedish news) is right. What a pity, that nordicbet has right now no bet on Daniel and Victoria. Now there would be the right moment to make some money...
Where did he say that? (The bold bit) Hmm, it sounds like a bit of a threat to me. Yes, I think the magazines are right (and I hope to goodness that Victoria doesn't design a wedding dress to match 'those' shoes ).
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Old 08-28-2005, 08:24 PM
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Where did he say that? (The bold bit) Hmm, it sounds like a bit of a threat to me. Yes, I think the magazines are right (and I hope to goodness that Victoria doesn't design a wedding dress to match 'those' shoes ).
I think he said that when a reporter from Aftonbladet met him at Ekerum country club a few days after Victorias birthday
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Old 08-30-2005, 03:32 AM
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Where did he say that? (The bold bit) Hmm, it sounds like a bit of a threat to me. Yes, I think the magazines are right (and I hope to goodness that Victoria doesn't design a wedding dress to match 'those' shoes ).
Hehehehe, I thought too, that it sounded like a threat Hm, but Danielle...those shoes are white, wouldn´t they fit perfectly to a wedding dress
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Aftonbladet PLUS has an article saying, that the wedding is coming closer-but on Daniel´s conditions.
Who has subscribed PLUS and can copy the article *lookingasniceasIcan* :)
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Article from Aftonbladet!
Once the translation is done, I´ll remove parts of the article so it will be "ok" to have it here

The wedding is getting closer, Vickan!
... but its on Daniels conditions

Crownprincess Victoria and Daniel Westling have been together for more than three years. Now there´s signs that an engagement is getting closer.
Daniel Nyhlen tells why they have been waiting for so long.
And that its the boyfriend who decides when the wedding will happend....

The news that Victoria had fallen in love with her personal trainer Daniel Westling dropped like a bomb on may 31st 2002
The magazines sent their reporters to Uppsala where Victoria was on a course. There she surprisingly confirmed that Daniel was her new love.
- I know Daniel and he´s a very nice guy, she said.
Daniel Westlings life changed overnight. Suddenly he was met by reporters outside his hime and paparazzis in the bushes. It didnt went well. Daniel was very much in love with Victoria, but he had troubles adjusting to his new role as the crownprincess´boyfriend. Daniel has never, unlike some other of Victorias boyfriends, wanted to be in the limelight.

Bröllopet närmar sig, Vickan!
…men det sker på Daniels villkor

Kronprinsessan Victoria och Daniel Westling har varit tillsammans i över tre år. Nu tyder allt på att en förlovning närmar sig.
Aftonbladets Daniel Nyhlén berättar varför de har väntat så länge.
Och att det är pojkvännen som bestämmer när bröllopet blir av ...

Nyheten om att Victoria hade blivit förälskad i sin personlige tränare Daniel Westling slog ner som en bomb den 31 maj 2002.
Kvällstidningarna skickade snabbt sina reportrar till Uppsala där Victoria för dagen var på kurs. I den gassande vårsolen bekräftade hon, lite överraskande, att Daniel Westling var hennes nya kärlek.
– Jag känner Daniel och jag tycker han är jättetrevlig, sa hon och strålade nykärt.
För Daniel Westling förändrades livet över en natt. Plötsligt möttes han av nyfikna reporter-team utanför porten och fick snabbt försöka vänja sig vid fotografer som surrade i buskarna.
Det gick allt annat än bra.
Westling var visserligen störtförälskad i Victoria, men rollen som en kronprinsessas pojkvän fick han till en början svårigheter med. Daniel har, till skillnad från så många andra prinsesspojkvänner, aldrig sökt rampljuset.


Enligt bekantskapskretsen är han en slitsam arbetsmyra som långsamt och säkert bygger upp sin lyxgymkedja Master Training. På fritiden pumpar han sina muskler och spelar golf.
– Daniel har alltid hållit en mycket låg profil, både i business och när han har rört sig ute. Att vara ”någon” har aldrig intresserat honom, säger en av vännerna.
Men som blivande make till kronprinsessan måste du vara en ”player” och tycka om att sola dig i rampljuset.
Annars blir livet till slut ohållbart.
Det var exakt det som hände när Victorias ex-pojkvän Daniel Collert lämnade henne.
När Victoria i en intervju berättade att han var hennes pojkvän fick Collert smaka på ett betydligt hårdare mediadrev än tidigare.
Han stod inte ut.
Även om han som son till bankdirektören Göran Collert kom direkt ur societeten, och till skillnad från medelklasskillen Westling var världsvan i de fina salongerna, valde han att göra slut.
Victorias värld gick i kras.
– Collert var tillsammans med Victoria i åtta år. Till slut förstod han vilka uppoffringar det skulle bli om de gifte sig, det var därför han tog sitt beslut, berättar en källa.

Daniel Westling står inför samma val, ett otroligt svårt dilemma, där han inom kort måste välja vilket håll han ska gå.
– Om Daniel gifter sig med Victoria kommer han aldrig kunna leva ett normalt liv igen. Hela hans livssituation förändras och det är klart att han går omkring och grubblar på det, säger vännen.

Spanske prins Felipe hade inga problem att äkta tv-reportern Letizia Ortis och prins Frederiks bröllop med australiensiska Mary fick danskarna att jubla. I Norge stack prins Haakon ut hakan genom att göra Mette-Marit, en enkel flicka av folket, till kronprinsessa.
En man som däremot väljs av en kvinna kan få det svårare med tanke på de traditionella könsrollerna.
Om han dessutom hela tiden tvingas hålla sig i bakgrunden kan det bli ett tänkbart och mycket
väsentligt problem som Daniel får brottas med.
Att Daniel inte är förtjust i uppmärksamhet och media och att han inte är akademiskt skolad är två andra faktorer som också kan sätta krokben i framtiden.

För Victoria själv råder inga tvivel. Kärleken mellan paret är stark och hon är inriktad på att gifta sig med Daniel.
Men samtidigt har hon under årens lopp vetat att Daniel måste få känna sig fram.
– Jag tror att han tampas med en inre konflikt där det inre funderar på för- och nackdelarna med att bli Victorias man. Om han skulle fria till henne tar han ett beslut och blir mer säker på sig själv. Just nu är han otydlig, i alla fall mot allmänheten, och det tror jag inte att han mår bra av för då blir han mer ansatt. Är han tydlig utåt minskar han automatiskt på det yttre och inre trycket han verkar bära på, säger Eva Rusz Malmberg, psykolog och Aftonbladets relationsexpert.

Samtidigt fylls veckotidningarna med färgglada reportage om hur de nordiska kronprinsessorna Mette-Marit och Mary går i väntans tider och snart ska föda arvingar till våra grannländer.
Här hemma i Sverige tyder ändå mycket på att Victoria och Daniel nu sakta men säkert håller på att planera sin förlovning. Paret visar sig allt mer öppet på olika tillställningar.
För ett par veckor sedan var de exempelvis hedersgäster under vännerna Anders Högbergs och Sofia Schörlings bröllop i Nyköping. Där gullade kärleksparet med varandra så vem som helst kunde se.
–?Det är ett medvetet val av Victoria att öppet visa sin kärlek till pojkvännen. På det sättet signalerar hon tydligt att det är honom hon har valt, säger en vännerna.
När paret nyligen tittade på Carl Philips gokartdebut kunde Aftonbladet exempelvis avslöja att Victoria bar ett speciellt kärlekssmycke i form av ett halsband med parets initialer sammanflätade.
– Ett säkert tecken på att en förlovning inte är långt borta, menar en källa på hovet.

Victoria och Daniel har under årens lopp ägnat timmar åt att diskutera saken. Både kungen och Silvia har alltid har sagt att de stödjer Victoria i hennes val av pojkvän –?även om han är en vanlig medelklasskille från bruksorten Ockelbo.
Tidningsuppgifter har den senaste tiden också gjort gällande att kungaparet har träffat Daniels föräldrar för att diskutera förlovningen.
Men med tanke på att Victoria och Daniels relation är spränghett stoff för tidningar i hela Europa är familjerna ytterst försiktiga att prata om saken. Inte ens med sina vänner.
– Jag tror att det är ett väldigt känsligt läge just nu, säger vännen.
Kompisarna säger att Victoria är lika mån om Daniel som en björnhona är om sina ungar.
– Hon vet att Daniel älskar henne jättemycket och tänker inte släppa sitt grepp.
Just nu umgås de flitigare än någonsin och tillbringar all sin lediga tid tillsammans. Kronprinsessan vill av hela sitt hjärta förlova sig med Daniel för att sedan planera bröllop och familj.
Men när det kommer till kritan är det Daniel som bestämmer och måste säga ja.
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Old 09-05-2005, 11:15 AM
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A thousand thanks for posting it here, Yennie. I´m going to help you with the translation.
Generally it doesn´t tell much new (for the ppl, who are used to check every facial muscle and every hair of Daniel ) but I guess it´s interesting for newer members/Royal watchers (even though I assume it´s a bit "behind". IMO all decisions were made a while ago)

I love this sentence:
Kompisarna säger att Victoria är lika mån om Daniel som en björnhona är om sina ungar.
Friends say, that Victoria is as keen (protective) on Daniel as a she-bear to its babies
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If there won't be a wedding next year - Victoria and Daniel could at least get engaged in the autumn, when the big 60th birthday celebrations are over and things are back to normal. Then they would have a long preparation time until the summer of 2007.... Just another theory...
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Old 12-02-2005, 06:52 AM
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If there won't be a wedding next year - Victoria and Daniel could at least get engaged in the autumn, when the big 60th birthday celebrations are over and things are back to normal. Then they would have a long preparation time until the summer of 2007.... Just another theory...
Something very similar said the great Netty today as well
It´s of course true...but at the moment I´m still disappointed. Autumn 2006 (and then summer 2007) is still soooooo faaaaar away. The prospect to have an other spring with speculations on a wedding, and a summer with articles on Daniel appearing at the birthday party or not and with pics of a grumpy looking Daniel on Öland isn´t directly great
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I know that is not fair to say this, as we really dont know him (Daniel), but I really would like to see Victoria happy not just now but also in the future, so for me Daniel is not the one, he doesnt seem ready to handle all the pressure and responsabilities of her future.
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I know that is not fair to say this, as we really dont know him (Daniel), but I really would like to see Victoria happy not just now but also in the future, so for me Daniel is not the one, he doesnt seem ready to handle all the pressure and responsabilities of her future.
That´s what I´ve thought too, and my 1000+ posts on it prove it But somehow I think he´s the best choice. Victoria is a homemade cookie. Even though she gets along superb with ppl coming from other countries, I don´t see her doing a "Frederik" and marrying a foreigner, who doesn´t speak Swedish and doesn´t know about the Swedish (upper class) culture. To this group I also count various foreign nobles. The less I can imagine her to marry a Swedish nobel or Swedish upperclass brat. In fact I can no one imagine to marry such a slimy creature (even though there are surely exceptions, who hide in their castles in the woods )
Then I can´t imagine her to marry an intellectual with certain degrees and working for an public organisation. This only would mean conflicts and they probably wouldn´t share many interests.
So what is impossible...thinking...thinking...ah Daniel Westling I think he has improved a lot and has more potential to improve. In the DI-interviews he came across as smart person, the same goes for this article in Aftonbladet (where a columnist went to a business breakfast of his new gym), his shyness is disappering (he doesn´t run away anymore and he changes a few words with journalists). Generally he strikes me as person, who wants more and who likes challenges.
Gosh, I´m taking up the cudgels for Mr. Westling. Miracles happen
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I know that is not fair to say this, as we really dont know him (Daniel), but I really would like to see Victoria happy not just now but also in the future, so for me Daniel is not the one, he doesnt seem ready to handle all the pressure and responsabilities of her future.
Well ithink beeing happy is a two way street. If Victoria is looking for someone who can enter her world, and can make her happy on her terms she has lost already, it should be about making each other happy and both adopting to each other.

Prime example beeing Joachim, he brought this educated, smart urban business woman to Denmark and placed her in his life on a farm at the coutryside and her work changed from beeing an independent business women in Hong Kong to have a day that was mostly charitable events and other housewife duties and living at a farm. Now that was not the life Alex had chose for herself, that was the one she got as a weddingpresent and in the end it did not work out.

If Victoria wants someone to just enter he life and have it be as it always has been she would better find a royal or atleast rich nobel to marry, if she goes for Daniel or any other "normal" Swede if its going to work its not only about him adopting to her life but also she needs to make some changes.
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Well ithink beeing happy is a two way street. If Victoria is looking for someone who can enter her world, and can make her happy on her terms she has lost already, it should be about making each other happy and both adopting to each other.

Prime example beeing Joachim, he brought this educated, smart urban business woman to Denmark and placed her in his life on a farm at the coutryside and her work changed from beeing an independent business women in Hong Kong to have a day that was mostly charitable events and other housewife duties and living at a farm. Now that was not the life Alex had chose for herself, that was the one she got as a weddingpresent and in the end it did not work out.

If Victoria wants someone to just enter he life and have it be as it always has been she would better find a royal or atleast rich nobel to marry, if she goes for Daniel or any other "normal" Swede if its going to work its not only about him adopting to her life but also she needs to make some changes.
Well said, Larzen
I think that is so often forgotten on this board. It´s not just about making the crown prince(ss) happy. He or she also has to give something back. Yes, the future princes(ses) get money and fame (often more than what is good for them), but so often I´ve a feeling, the born Royals don´t respond to the needs of the newbie Royals. Dunno how to classify Victoria. It´s probably too soon. So far she does her trips alone, and makes then several weeks holidays. Where she often goes on trips with Daniel. This way of living doesn´t represent the life of marriage. It just represent a way to stay longer in the pink heaven of love.
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I think this will also be a problem in reality. I don´t think Victoria & Daniel will ever particiapte in Parlamentet but I wonder, what would happen, when Daniel would be funnier than Victoria (the few things we have "heard" of him hint that) and will appeal to the people. Victoria is known for her "one girl show", she is best when she performs duties alone (without her family), I wonder, if she´s ready to share the attention. Maybe that´s the reason, why it all takes so long
It didn't happen to Henrik & Margrethe. Even though Henrik was charming, jovial and handsome, and Margrethe was considered shy and insecure, it has taken many, many years for him to get accepted by the people. He's the Queen's husband, that's all.

btw; Madeleine's boyfriend, Jonas, is also as usual portrayed in a rather mean way, like Silvia. They make him look like the perfect upper-class, condescending besserwisser who can run a company easy as a piece of cake.

And Carl Philip's girlfriend, Emma, is probably portrayed in the most evil way, she isn't in the programme AT ALL. She must really feel like a totally insignificant fly on the wall

Larzen; at Gucci barbie !!! So true.

Lena > pink heaven of love, you couldn't have said it more clearly

I think with a personal gym instructor and some lessons early each morning and late every evening one will stay happy forever :p
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It didn't happen to Henrik & Margrethe. Even though Henrik was charming, jovial and handsome, and Margrethe was considered shy and insecure, it has taken many, many years for him to get accepted by the people. He's the Queen's husband, that's all.
Yes, that´s of course true.
BUT Margrethe is very unique and gifted. I hope Victoria will develop well (or simply will go back to the spontaneous funny girl, she was at 18), but I don´t see her as a second Daisy.
And probably even more important is, that Daniel is a Swede. One who knows the rural and the urban life. He´s one of "them" and I sense this also in posts I´ve read in Swedish forums. When Daniel stays natural, he can only win.
Henrik was a frenchman and if you ask me, you can hardly find more "opposed" cultures than the French and Danish/Scandinavian in Europe. Besides Henrik is very headstrong and not some kind of "everybody´s darling"-guy. He isn´t the dream of a son in law, while many Swedish mums probably wouldn´t mind to get a guy like Daniel as son in law.
Maybe it all will be really as with Margrethe and Henrik. Victoria surely has the "born Royal"-bonus (ppl have seen her growing up and see her as a part of their life), but with the growing media landscape (who searches for faults and doesn´t treat Royals per se as if they would be "better" than others) I see good chances for Daniel.


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I think with a personal gym instructor and some lessons early each morning and late every evening one will stay happy forever :p
hahahaha
Also gym trainers get older. If a buff sporty body is a criteria for Victoria, she should maybe take a look at Pappa Westling. Pretty much the same build like his son (the same skinny legs, posture...), but a well developed potbelly
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At this point, I'm rooting for Carl Philip and Emma to get married first. I want Victoria to marry a true love and all that....but after all these years of dating and she doesn't know if she truly loves him or if he truly loves her, then that was a waste of a couple years! Maybe if Carl Philip gets married first, Daniel and Victoria will get the idea and marry also! If that doesn't happen, I'm looking toward a 2006 engagment and a 2007 Crownprincessly wedding! (I'm just getting restless, most of the other European royal houses have had glorious weddings but not in Sweden! I think if Victoria does get engaged soon, the Swedish threads are going to be in a frenzy!)
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Just because someone's been going out for 5 years, and they don't end up getting married, doesn't necessarily mean it was a waste of time. People can learn a lot from each other over that length of time. They can learn things about themselves (i.e. what annoying habits they can tolerate in another human being, etc) as well. I'm really, really hoping that Victoria and Daniel get married, and I would like it to be soon. I'm beginning to really like Daniel.
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Well ithink beeing happy is a two way street. If Victoria is looking for someone who can enter her world, and can make her happy on her terms she has lost already, it should be about making each other happy and both adopting to each other.

Prime example beeing Joachim, he brought this educated, smart urban business woman to Denmark and placed her in his life on a farm at the coutryside and her work changed from beeing an independent business women in Hong Kong to have a day that was mostly charitable events and other housewife duties and living at a farm. Now that was not the life Alex had chose for herself, that was the one she got as a weddingpresent and in the end it did not work out.
Larzen, there have been many many pages on this very Forum dedicated to the question of why Joachim and Alexandra's marriage didn't work out, and I think you are really hitting the nail on the head here, as off topic as this is!

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If Victoria wants someone to just enter he life and have it be as it always has been she would better find a royal or atleast rich nobel to marry, if she goes for Daniel or any other "normal" Swede if its going to work its not only about him adopting to her life but also she needs to make some changes.
Interesting view point. But who is to say she is not making any sacrifices for Daniel already?
Speaking of Daniel, I for one have always liked him. I think he seems quite suitable, but I guess I'd be in the minority on that one. Weird though: if I were Victoria I would indeed take someone like Daniel any day over one of those upper class trustfund brats, yek! (ok of course there are exceptions!)
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If Victoria and Daniel break up (we're back to square one!), I'm sure they learned things from each other and it wasn't a complete waste of time. However, I sincerely wish that they make some decision, whether it be break-up or marriage (I prefer marraige!) before we end up with a Thread 20 for them. I'm sure Carl Philip and Madeleine can get married anytime they want to, but traditionally it's the firstborn/crownprince/princess, who usually get married first. I would hate for any of the younger siblings to have to wait for their turn at the altar just because older sister Victoria didn't get married. (Not saying this will happen, at this rate I'm honestly thinking Madeleine might be the first one at the altar)
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