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Old 08-25-2013, 08:08 PM
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Worst European monarch since 1913

What are people's thoughts as to who the absolute worst European king or queen in the last 100 years is?

I'd guess Kaiser Wilhelm II would be among the most reviled, but compared to other 20th century villains, was he that bad?

Other contenders? I'd suggest that a combination of malice and incompetence and having real power (i.e., not a figurehead) would make one the worst.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:01 PM
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King Tribhuvan of Nepals father!

Can't remember his name
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:41 PM
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King Tribhuvan of Nepals father!

Can't remember his name
That would be Prithvi of Nepal, and why may I ask?
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Old 09-09-2013, 07:11 PM
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It's become harder, as constitutional monarchs, for them to really screw it up on a grand scale.

The only contenders from the Post WWI era IMO, would be:

- King Edward VIII
- King Leopold III
- Grand Duchess Marie-Adelaide
- All of the Kings of Greece (each seemed pretty incompetent in their own way and none of them really did anything to foster public confidence in the monarchy)
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Old 09-09-2013, 07:17 PM
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I would vote for King Carol of Roumania who seemed to be ruled more by his penis that his brain and seemed to lack any real sense of duty to his family or his nation.
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Old 09-09-2013, 07:57 PM
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I would vote for King Carol of Roumania who seemed to be ruled more by his penis that his brain and seemed to lack any real sense of duty to his family or his nation.
Well good grief NG, that could apply to quite a few royals in quite a few centuries!
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:42 PM
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Well good grief NG, that could apply to quite a few royals in quite a few centuries!
Perhaps but we are talking about the 20th century and Carol II had a rather complicated personal and political life. Married without permission Zizi Lambrino. Marriage declared invalid and was annulled but a child resulted from this brief union. Married Princess Helen of Greece who gave birth to King Michael, Divorced her and gave up his right to the throne so Michael succeeded his grandfather under a regency. Carol II then reclaimed his throne replacing his son who became Crown Prince. As king he alienated his mother, his sister and his brother amongst others. Carol II abdicated and went into exile and married his mistress Mme Lupescu. Carol and his new wife then managed to run through whatever fortune he had at the casinos in Portugal before their deaths. Can't see much to recommend him on either a personal or a political basis.
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:53 PM
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I would vote for King Carol of Roumania who seemed to be ruled more by his penis that his brain and seemed to lack any real sense of duty to his family or his nation.
I would agree. I was reading "Athene Palace", which dealt in part with his reign, and the book states that Romanians at the time despised him.

He also seemed to pick truly revolting anti-Semitic prime minsters, blew foreign policy (leading to no support from anyone when Romania's neighbors carved up the country in 1940) and was a dictator for a few years.

I wonder how King Michael turned out so well; he's a saint.
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Old 09-09-2013, 11:01 PM
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Besides Kaiser Wilhelm (he really took the cake) I would say King Edward and King Carol
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Old 09-10-2013, 04:33 AM
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Though king Carol II is the obvious 'winner' here, we may add king Victor Emmanuel III of Italy to the list too, who enabled Benito Mussolini to come to power. If we add Wilhelm II on the list we should also add Nicholas II who was extremely incapable as a ruler.

As for consorts: Queen Elisabeth of the Hellenes takes the crown there. The sister of Carol II and she is supposed to have said: 'I have committed every vice but one, and I don't intend to die before I murdered a man'.

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I would agree. I was reading "Athene Palace", which dealt in part with his reign, and the book states that Romanians at the time despised him.

He also seemed to pick truly revolting anti-Semitic prime minsters, blew foreign policy (leading to no support from anyone when Romania's neighbors carved up the country in 1940) and was a dictator for a few years.
Romanians may have despised him, but antisemitism was widely spread in Romania. According to Mark Mazower they were even worse than the SS. Some even organised day trips to areas abroad where they would engage in shooting Jews...for fun. The methods of Antonescu's regime even shocked the SS. Curiously enough king Carol II's second wife was of Jewish descent herself.
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The Shah of Persia?

Ex King Constantine of Greece?

In the end both of them lost their throne - not because of a war, but because their own people has expulsed them out of their country.

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Old 09-10-2013, 11:44 AM
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The Shah of Persia?

Ex King Constantine of Greece?

In the end both of them lost their throne - not because of a war, but because their own people has expulsed them out of their country.

BYe Bine
I am American and I was young when the Shah was deposed. I have done a lot of reading trying to understand both sides, but it's almost impossible to find an unbiased account. Some say the Shah was great, others say he was a tyrant. Others say his downfall was his own fault, some say not. Can anyone here recommend a good, semi-unbiased account of the Shah, Farah Diba and the Ayotolleh (sp?)? I realize no account is going to be unbiased but perhaps some of you could help me. I know this is a trifle off topic, but I have been researching this for quite some time. Thanks in advance!
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Perhaps a little before 1913 but here's The Most ‘Evil’ Rulers of the Middle Ages,I couldn't see another thread on tyrants/evil rulers.

http://www.medievalists.net/2014/05/...s-middle-ages/
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King Faruq of Egypt he spent his money in woman and gambling. He was famous an in 1953 abloshed the monarchy because of him
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Even if his reign ended shortly after 1913 I would say tsar Nikolai II of Russia. The result of his shortcomings as a regent lead to great sufferings for his former subjects for a long time.
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Old 06-03-2014, 02:09 PM
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The Shah of Persia?

Ex King Constantine of Greece?

In the end both of them lost their throne - not because of a war, but because their own people has expulsed them out of their country.

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Old 10-09-2014, 03:31 PM
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- King Edward VIII
- King Leopold III
- Grand Duchess Marie-Adelaide
- All of the Kings of Greece (each seemed pretty incompetent in their own way and none of them really did anything to foster public confidence in the monarchy)
Can you please explain why these royals were so bad?
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I am American and I was young when the Shah was deposed. I have done a lot of reading trying to understand both sides, but it's almost impossible to find an unbiased account. Some say the Shah was great, others say he was a tyrant. Others say his downfall was his own fault, some say not. Can anyone here recommend a good, semi-unbiased account of the Shah, Farah Diba and the Ayotolleh (sp?)? I realize no account is going to be unbiased but perhaps some of you could help me. I know this is a trifle off topic, but I have been researching this for quite some time. Thanks in advance!
There's a documentary by a Iranian-Swedish film-maker, Nahid Persson, who was allowed to interview Farah Diba. And the conclusion was that while the last shah did some things, which he shouldn't have done, out of his fear of communism, the current islamistic regime of Iran is in no way better. I guess that this is the most unbiased account, that you can ever get about the last shah.
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Old 10-09-2014, 03:46 PM
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Even if his reign ended shortly after 1913 I would say tsar Nikolai II of Russia. The result of his shortcomings as a regent lead to great sufferings for his former subjects for a long time.
The sad thing is that Nicholas was convinced that he acted for the best for Russia.
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