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Old 06-17-2011, 09:43 PM
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You may have points regarding France and Russia, but it's rather different from the Balkan examples we are talking about here such as Serbia, Albania, Montenegro, etc since what's happened to those countries since WWII was just awful (Communism and more recently conflict), and they are still dealing with its consequences today. That's why things like restoring the monarchies in those countries resonates among people, because of a feeling they need to "undo" what had been done to those countries.
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Old 06-17-2011, 11:24 PM
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The state of the world today, in almost all nations, is awful in itself. I will not question your assumptions about the condition of Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, etc., since WWII.
My belief that restoring any royal family to a non-existent 'throne' is not the, or a solution to the problems faced in many former 'constitutional monarchies.' The dream of restoration only evokes the 'sentimental value' in those who take pride in their former royal families. That has been my main point in all of my posts within this particular thread. Disagreement with my statement in any thread is expected and welcomed.
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Old 06-18-2011, 01:23 AM
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I can't see any country "going back" and restoring their Monarchy System. They may embrace the family, but to vote in order to be restored, nah, don't think so.
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Old 06-18-2011, 01:42 AM
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France is a point in case.

There is a sizeable constituency of monarchists, as can be ascertained in these forums (or, correctly, "fora") and in the Francophone press.
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Old 06-19-2011, 12:51 PM
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The last thing the Greeks need is a monarchy, today. They need financial savy people, not pomp and circumstance. By the way, NotHRH, I love to peruse all this stuff. But monarchies are archaic and are fine if they are accepted and are there, but restoring one is foolhardy. Sorry, Russo.
Ah, but this is the stuff of dreams and Russo is nothing if not a dreamer.
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Old 06-19-2011, 08:06 PM
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I admit I don't know a lot about the Eastern countries that were once a part of the Soviet Union, but sometimes I think they would be better under a Tsar who is more modern and not a tyranical autocrat who doesn't care about his people.
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Old 06-19-2011, 08:14 PM
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Ah, but this is the stuff of dreams and Russo is nothing if not a dreamer.
Ah, my dear Russo, only in dreams. And only if your the one in power. The rest is just sentimeta , sorry, junk.
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:38 PM
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Ah, my dear Russo, only in dreams. And only if your the one in power. The rest is just sentimeta , sorry, junk.
Actually, I wouldn't WANT to be the one in power to rule such a vast place. The Russian people have a curious habit of assassinating their rulers.
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Old 06-23-2011, 10:10 AM
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so this country would perhaps return to the monarchy if it would help people .. although I do not see how this would help!
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Old 06-24-2011, 10:19 AM
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In Russia and Portugal the support for monarchy restoration is growing.It's possible but it may take a long time.It will probably mostly be in Eastern European states and some very Catholic ones.
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I am portuguese and a strong supporter of Monarchy restoration in my country. It was unfairly abolished on October 5th of 1910 and our last King, Manuel II, went to England where he died without ever returning to Portugal. He married and english woman but didn't left any descendent. After his uncle, Prince Afonso, death, also without descendents, the heir line went King Miguel I descendents that were banned after the civil war in the 1820s. King Manuel II and Duarte Nuno (King Miguel I grandson) made an agreement in case there were no descendents. It was known as the Pact of Dover. King Manuel died in 1932 and it was only in the 1950s that the portuguese government headed by dictator Salazar recognized Duarte Nuno as the legitimate heir of the throne and authorized the returning to Portugal of royal descendents. Today the heir is Duarte Nuno son, D. Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza. He is a very respected person and is often invited to several ceremonies by local maiors, associations, institutes, and sometimes official state parties. When he married in 1995, the wedding was given state credentials with the invitation of the President of the Republic and the Prime Minister. It was followed by hundreds of people on the streets with the portuguese monarchy flag. It was a sign that many portuguese still believe in the monarchy. Despite the formal party, PPM, is a minor party, it doesn't represent portuguese monarchists because the majority vote in the main parties and even some MPs and known monarchists ministers never belonged to that party. Unfortunately, portuguese constitution doesn't allow a referendum to the form of the regime. Only when that article is changed, it will be possible to ask portuguese people what do they choose. Of course before there must be a campaign to teach many portuguese what the Monarchy really is because there are many wrong ideas and prejudices towards it.
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I know it's a long shot, but I would like France to have some sort of constitutional monarchy again.
The idea of "Laicité" doesn't really suit the French, emotionally speaking.
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Old 07-17-2011, 12:57 PM
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The idea of "Laicité" doesn't really suit the French, emotionally speaking.
What a strange assertion and i don't see the link btw "laicité" and constitutional monarchy
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Old 07-17-2011, 01:12 PM
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I don't see any of the European countries becoming monarchy again. I think especially for the Eastern European countries (maybe except Russia) it would be a step back in terms what they have fighted for. After fighting for democracy for so long, people are not ready to accept that the head of state won't be choosen by them, in a direct or indirect way.
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Old 07-17-2011, 02:01 PM
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I am currently reading "George, Nicholas and Wilhelm", about the three monarchs before WWI.

Kaiser Wilhelm would surely count as an authoritarian ruler by today's standards, and Nicholas was an absolute monarch, with no rule of law at all other than his whim.

With rulers like those embedded in people's memories in those countries, the monarchist cause is surely hurt, as nobody wants a dictatorship. If only they'd been like UK monarchs, who mostly stayed out of government.
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Old 07-17-2011, 02:07 PM
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Austria , i dont know
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Old 07-17-2011, 02:23 PM
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I know it's a long shot, but I would like France to have some sort of constitutional monarchy again.
The idea of "Laicité" doesn't really suit the French, emotionally speaking.
France is the first country which appears to my mind if I think of Laicité.
Plus it´s more healthy for the French Royals, if they don´t reign

East-European countries maybe? Romania or Bulgaria?
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Old 07-17-2011, 02:36 PM
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I think even the chances for Germany or Austria would be higher to have a monarchy back than for France.
What I mean with this statement: chance for monarchy in France = zéro.
Gone for good, IMO.
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What about Greece? Why can't the people or whomever let him rightfully and officially be HM king Constantine II of Greece and letting it be a constitutional monarchy.
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:53 AM
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What about Greece? Why can't the people or whomever let him rightfully and officially be HM king Constantine II of Greece and letting it be a constitutional monarchy.
And why should they? He got his chance and abuse his powers, he could blame nobody but himself.
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