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Indeed, since the United States of America is unlikely ever to become a monarchy, we should move on and discuss countries that might. If people wish to have a back and forth argument, they may do so by private message. In that respect, some posts have been edited to remove personal remarks.
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Whelp ladies and gentlemen, after that talk about Canada, Republicanism as a whole and the status of restorations lets get back to talking what nation might become a monarchy (again) in my personal opinion.

Good Chance of Restoration:
  • Brazil (The republic hasn't really improved in popularity now has it?)
  • Romania (There have been talks in the past week)
  • Libya (There are still supporters and the crown prince isn't entirely against it.)
  • Nepal (Although the monarchist parties haven't really done well in the recent election, this could just be a sign of screwy tactics by the Maoist parties in Nepal manipulating opinions, polls, elections and what nots.)
  • Iran (If the Islamic Republic ever goes away of course)
  • Russia (When there are Eastern Orthodox Christians and a conservative nation then there is an appetite for a new Tsar/Emperor.)
  • Georgia (Former Soviet Republic and Russia's neighbor, the Georgian Royal Family is relatively popular and quite a few prominent figures have asked for a referendum on the matter as whole.)

Honorable Mentions:
  • Poland (As quirky and think tank as Polish monarchists are, you can help but feel there is at least some potential for the former Communist nation.)
  • Egypt (Well, like I said with Brazil, the republic isn't anymore popular now is it?)
  • Germany (You've got to admit that polls showing 20% supporting restoration have to be sort of a good sign for monarchism in the nation, but they'd have to gain more support and change a constitution that was practically set in stone.)
  • Montenegro (A creeping restoration could still happen and the royal family does have recognition at least.)
  • Greece (Well at least the deposed royal family is back in Greece and showing a little bit of interest about what goes on in their former kingdom.)
  • Portugal (Shows promise and at least the nation's monarchist party actually has a seat in government.)
  • Czech Republic (Even though the nation's monarchist party has been swept under the rug most of the time, at least it has 800 members, which isn't too bad for a nation with about 10 million. Plus it does appear to be rather popular to a certain extent in the country.)

Dishonorable Menstions
  • Bulgaria (YOU HAD ONE JOB, ONE JOB. That is all I have to say to the former Czar of the country.)
  • Serbia (The former monarchy with some of the most unreliable polls on the planet.)
  • France (Impossible as per usual)
  • Italy (Also impossible as per usual)
  • China (Insert over 9000 face palms here)

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I have some hope in restorations in Portugal, Brazil, Georgia, Nepal and Romania.

I dream of restorations in Greece and Bulgaria, even because the last kings are still alive. I find the case in Bulgaria very cramped, even because I do not know of any monarchical movement in that country.
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Old 11-17-2018, 09:56 PM
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Of all of them I think Romania probably has the best chance. However the Royal House rules don't allow for a female monarch and there is no acceptable male heir. So at the moment that's quite a problem.
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Old 11-18-2018, 01:36 AM
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Best chances might have with Montenegro, Serbia and Romania. But even witht hem I am but suspicious. And what longer a country has been republic more implausible is restoration.


And with some countries problem is that there is not clear heir to throne.
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Old 11-18-2018, 10:18 AM
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Of all of them I think Romania probably has the best chance. However the Royal House rules don't allow for a female monarch and there is no acceptable male heir. So at the moment that's quite a problem.
The Royal House rules are based on a Constitution that was thrown out with the monarchy. Presumably new rules could be written if the monarchy were restored. I should also add that while the former male heir is unacceptable in the eyes of the former royal family, many Romanians would happily accept him as their future King.

But you're right, this is a problem. Would Margareta accept Nicholas as her heir if that became a requirement for a restoration? Even Queen Elizabeth doesn't decide the succession rules in Britain, Parliament does.
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The Czech Republic and Croatia

Recently there were a couple of polls in regards to the Habsburg Monarchy outside of Austria itself, which sits at 20% in favor of restoration.

The Czech Republic currently sits at 13% in favor of a monarchy altogether, 10% being in favor of a parliamentary constitutional monarchy and 3% being in favor of an absolute monarchy.
https://www.irozhlas.cz/zpravy-domov...1810031330_ako

42% of Croatians support their country becoming a parliamentary constitutional monarchy.
https://hkrv-vodstvo.wixsite.com/hkr...hen-a-Republic

Honestly, I'd settle for just anything in regards to restoration, I wonder how relations would be if between Austria and Croatia if Croatia restores the monarchy though under the Habsburgs?

I'm still waiting for my Hungarian poll though.

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If Victor Orban wanted to become a monarch right now, I'm pretty sure the Hungarians would declare him one. haha
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:24 PM
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If Victor Orban wanted to become a monarch right now, I'm pretty sure the Hungarians would declare him one. haha

Wouldn't more probable be restoring Habsburgs? IIRC them have some support in Hungary.
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:32 PM
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There is very little appetite in Hungary for a restoration of the monarchy (or even interest in Habsburgs) less so the creation of a new one in the form of the current Prime Minister.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:17 PM
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Romania has de-facto a functioning monarchy inside a de-jure republic. That is the best of two worlds. No democratic deficit in the institutions of state but at the same time offering a meaningful role to the historical royal family. Complete with adresses to Parliament, receptions of Ambassadors, state-funded palaces, an annual income, a Christmas message on national TV even. Etc.

We must think out of the box. "Which country could become a monarchy" is old-school thinking. Romania has a monarchy 2.0 in a republican system. The same could have happened in Bulgaria, was King Simeon not so unwise to lead a political party himself and even become Prime Minister. How can he ever claim that the royal family is impartial and for all Bulgarians while he was a partisan politician? In Serbia the former royal family is close to a Romanian system but is hindred with the fact that their former kingdom is shattered into what is now Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia etc. So a "restoration" to the old kingdom is technically already impossible. But the Karadordevic family is edging close to a Romanian style of a de-facto functional monarchy inside a de-jure republican Serbia.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:54 PM
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If the Czech Republic became a monarchy, which dynasty would provide the sovereign?
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Old 03-15-2019, 04:22 PM
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Romania and Serbia would be the two most obvious contenders at the moment ,ex King Simeon killed off any hope in Bulgaria .

Now what happens after the Romanian Crown Princess and Serbian Crown Prince pass away is another matter.
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Old 03-16-2019, 03:37 AM
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Romania and Serbia would be the two most obvious contenders at the moment ,ex King Simeon killed off any hope in Bulgaria .

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Not for a restoration. But for a come back of the royal family in a formal role indeed. When a country has reached it's most democratic form (a republic) it is hard to see why anyone would go back to a hereditary succession of the head of state.

Spain became a monarchy again. But it was after a de-facto dictatorship in a de-jure monarchy (with a sede vacante) which became a functioning monarchy again. Was Spain in the situation of Portugal, Italy and Greece now (republics), no way there was ever a change back from a republic to a kingdom.
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Old 03-16-2019, 08:07 PM
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I am curious about post-Vladimir Putin Russia? I mean 37% of young Russians favor a constitutional monarchy and a third of the Russian Federation's population actually supports it. Who knows maybe we'll see another Franco-type restoration only this time in Russia. The question is will it be someone as closely related to the Romonavs as possible or a different dynasty altogether.

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Old 03-17-2019, 02:18 AM
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I am curious about post-Vladimir Putin Russia? I mean 37% of young Russians favor a constitutional monarchy and a third of the Russian Federation's population actually supports it. Who knows maybe we'll see another Franco-type restoration only this time in Russia. The question is will it be someone as closely related to the Romonavs as possible or a different dynasty altogether.

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Restoration of Russian monarchy seems unlikely. One problem is that there is not very clear claimant to Russian throne. There is at least two claimants so it would be difficult pick such.
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Old 03-17-2019, 03:01 AM
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I am curious about post-Vladimir Putin Russia? I mean 37% of young Russians favor a constitutional monarchy and a third of the Russian Federation's population actually supports it. Who knows maybe we'll see another Franco-type restoration only this time in Russia. The question is will it be someone as closely related to the Romonavs as possible or a different dynasty altogether.

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What dynasty would you propose they bring to the throne?

If they were to restore the monarchy, it would be to Restore the monarchy. That is the Romanovs. The issue would be which Romanov would be chosen as there are 2 main claimants to the throne.

But monarchies restored are rare. And very rarely generations later. The current claimants are several generations removed. Maria's grandfather was a cousin of Nicholas II.

One major issue would be the whole dynastic marriage laws, and if they have to be upheld.

Even if we were to do away with Maria's claim (based on her mother's family being a royal but not reigning house), there is an issue with who comes next. The Lennigen line is not clear. While Karl Einrich has actually converted to Orthodoxy and claimed the title Nicholas III, its not clear he has any claim even if Maria was passed over. Karl Einrich's younger brother Andreas became Duke of Lennigen due to Karl Einrich's non-dynastic marriage. If Maria and Georgi died without another heir, Andreas and not Karl Einrich is actually the next in succession based on dynastic marriage.

And unlike his brother, Andreas' children would be able to succeed.He made a dynastic marriage to Princess Alexandra of Hannover. His brother made a non-dynastic marriage to Countess Isabelle Egloffstein, so even if he was deemed acceptable, his only son would not be.

In fairness if you are going to play the dynastic marriage card and bypass Maria, the same would have to be done with Karl. And the rightful claim would be Andreas. There are others including Prince George of Prussia with a lesser claim in the maternal line as well.


Emperor Andreas (or Russian form), Empress Alexandra and Czarovich Ferdinand. Ferdinand also made a dynastic marriage to Princess Victoria of Prussia. A bit more secure (descendent wise) then Maria and unmarried Georgi at the moment.


Don't see it happening ever though. The only thrones with a real chance are ones not so long removed from the throne IMO like Romania or Greece. But still doubt those as well.
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Indeed, but Greece is out of the question. We have seen the country rocking on its foundation, on the verge of collapsing, pulled away from a bankruptcy. Unbelievable draconic measures of austerity have (and still) hit the Greeks. But no any call for a return of the monarchy. If a country goes that deep and there is no any call to replace the dirty rotten, corrupt, nepotist, dysfunctional and inert state with a regime change, then Constantine and Paul can forget it.

Romania and Serbia are the closest to a functioning monachy inside a republican state. As said: when a state is a republic, why ever go back to a sitiatuon in which the citizens loose democratic rights?

Okay, there is corruption and nepotism in Romania and Serbia. But will making Princess Margareta and Prince Alexander Queen of Romania resp. King of Serbia these coutries better functioning states? Will the corruption and nepotism disappear as snow for the sun when there is no elected president in that presidential palace but a Hohenzollern or Karadordevic?

Princess Margareta and Prince Alexander have become very far. They should count their blessings. Former King Simeon came unbelievably close but blew it all up by acting as a partisan republican politician.
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What dynasty would you propose they bring to the throne?

If they were to restore the monarchy, it would be to Restore the monarchy. That is the Romanovs. The issue would be which Romanov would be chosen as there are 2 main claimants to the throne.

But monarchies restored are rare. And very rarely generations later. The current claimants are several generations removed. Maria's grandfather was a cousin of Nicholas II.

One major issue would be the whole dynastic marriage laws, and if they have to be upheld.

Even if we were to do away with Maria's claim (based on her mother's family being a royal but not reigning house), there is an issue with who comes next. The Lennigen line is not clear. While Karl Einrich has actually converted to Orthodoxy and claimed the title Nicholas III, its not clear he has any claim even if Maria was passed over. Karl Einrich's younger brother Andreas became Duke of Lennigen due to Karl Einrich's non-dynastic marriage. If Maria and Georgi died without another heir, Andreas and not Karl Einrich is actually the next in succession based on dynastic marriage.

And unlike his brother, Andreas' children would be able to succeed.He made a dynastic marriage to Princess Alexandra of Hannover. His brother made a non-dynastic marriage to Countess Isabelle Egloffstein, so even if he was deemed acceptable, his only son would not be.

In fairness if you are going to play the dynastic marriage card and bypass Maria, the same would have to be done with Karl. And the rightful claim would be Andreas. There are others including Prince George of Prussia with a lesser claim in the maternal line as well.


Emperor Andreas (or Russian form), Empress Alexandra and Czarovich Ferdinand. Ferdinand also made a dynastic marriage to Princess Victoria of Prussia. A bit more secure (descendent wise) then Maria and unmarried Georgi at the moment.


Don't see it happening ever though. The only thrones with a real chance are ones not so long removed from the throne IMO like Romania or Greece. But still doubt those as well.
When Georg Prinz von Preußen / Grand-Prince Georgy (the son of Maria), himself the product of two Ebenbürtige partners, marries a commoner, the whole claim of Grand-Princess Maria on the headship of the House is in jeopardy. That claim is partly based on the fact that the other claimants have married outside the norms. Yes, there are claimants questioning Maria's mother Princess Leonida Georgievna Bagration-Mukhraneli, if she exactly fits in the norm or not. But when that question is raised by claimants themselves born from commoners then you see how weak their arguments are.

Anyway, when Georg / Georgy choses a commoner, Maria's claim tumbles down. That is clear. Then the order of consanguity to the last Tsar becomes leading, no longer marred with controverses about partners, as all claimants then will have married outside the norm.

I consider Princess Leonida Georgievna Bagration-Mukhraneli, Countess Sveva della Gherardesca and Countess Praskiova Dimitrievna Sheremeteva "befitting" the norm to beware too much discussion. But the descandants of the last two all married commoners. The descendant of Leonida married a Prince of Prussia and we are awaiting what Georg / Georgy will do. If he marries an Ebenbürtige partner, this will continue Maria's claim, that is clear.
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Indeed, but Greece is out of the question. We have seen the country rocking on its foundation, on the verge of collapsing, pulled away from a bankruptcy. Unbelievable draconic measures of austerity have (and still) hit the Greeks. But no any call for a return of the monarchy. If a country goes that deep and there is no any call to replace the dirty rotten, corrupt, nepotist, dysfunctional and inert state with a regime change, then Constantine and Paul can forget it.
Plus the jet setting Instagram lavish lifestyle of the Crown Princely Family are so far removed from reality and have virtually no connection to the Greek people.

Its a pity that Nikolaos and Tatiana are not the Crown Princely couple.
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What dynasty would you propose they bring to the throne?

If they were to restore the monarchy, it would be to Restore the monarchy. That is the Romanovs. The issue would be which Romanov would be chosen as there are 2 main claimants to the throne.

But monarchies restored are rare. And very rarely generations later. The current claimants are several generations removed. Maria's grandfather was a cousin of Nicholas II.

One major issue would be the whole dynastic marriage laws, and if they have to be upheld.

Even if we were to do away with Maria's claim (based on her mother's family being a royal but not reigning house), there is an issue with who comes next. The Lennigen line is not clear. While Karl Einrich has actually converted to Orthodoxy and claimed the title Nicholas III, its not clear he has any claim even if Maria was passed over. Karl Einrich's younger brother Andreas became Duke of Lennigen due to Karl Einrich's non-dynastic marriage. If Maria and Georgi died without another heir, Andreas and not Karl Einrich is actually the next in succession based on dynastic marriage.

And unlike his brother, Andreas' children would be able to succeed.He made a dynastic marriage to Princess Alexandra of Hannover. His brother made a non-dynastic marriage to Countess Isabelle Egloffstein, so even if he was deemed acceptable, his only son would not be.

In fairness if you are going to play the dynastic marriage card and bypass Maria, the same would have to be done with Karl. And the rightful claim would be Andreas. There are others including Prince George of Prussia with a lesser claim in the maternal line as well.


Emperor Andreas (or Russian form), Empress Alexandra and Czarovich Ferdinand. Ferdinand also made a dynastic marriage to Princess Victoria of Prussia. A bit more secure (descendent wise) then Maria and unmarried Georgi at the moment.


Don't see it happening ever though. The only thrones with a real chance are ones not so long removed from the throne IMO like Romania or Greece. But still doubt those as well.
Honestly, I wasn't really thinking of any known dynasty altogether. I mean there have been times where prominent families became royal dynasties themselves like the Bernadottes, the Bonapartes, the Pahlavis, and the Zogus is an instance. So it wouldn't that far fetch for another random powerful family to claim the status as a royal family or Russia right?

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