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Old 01-03-2018, 07:34 PM
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Given as Austria doesn’t have a throne (and hasn’t for 98 years), I would say no. Now, if Hungary first restored the monarchy under Georg, then Austria were to move towards restoring the monarchy, I would highly doubt either nation would be okay with Georg becoming monarch of Austria.
There is no real debate in Hungary to restore the Monarchy even if some Habsburg support the country having different public roles.
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Old 01-10-2018, 05:51 PM
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Hungary!!!!!

True, but you've got to admit with the nation of Hungary bringing back Kingdom of Hungary-era symbols like the old crowned coat of arms along with a few other traditions there does appear to be a climate where a constitutional monarchy could work. I have researched and re-researched modern Hungarian monarchism just about every month or so and I have found new blogs showing with a meager thousand or so support, which is rather decent amount of support for a nation with just roughly ten million people. There are some who favor Habsburg restoration, although not many but it is a distant outcome nonetheless. Still I have always found Hungary to be rather fascinating. Even though Hungary isn't one of the most likely of restoration it isn't exactly the most impossible either so who knows.

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Old 01-17-2018, 12:22 AM
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Is it just me or have monarchist movements in general been super quiet. I mean you hardly hear anything besides the Iranian protests or the occasional article about Romania or Libya, sometimes Brazil if we're lucky.

I know the fight is an uphill one but monarchists like ourselves declining in numbers, just staying the same, or do people just don't care?

It just rather infuriates me when I look at nations like Brazil where popular protest or appetites for change just don't go anywhere.

I just refuse to believe that these are the final decades of monarchism as a whole. I know it's a matter of a will of the people and attitudes of royals themselves but still.

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Old 01-17-2018, 12:37 AM
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To be honest I do believe that monarchy is fading. People want a say in all aspects of their government and that includes their Head of State.

When I first joined this board I was a monarchist but I am now a republican through and through - the sooner Australia becomes a republic the better as far as I am concerned.

What happens in other countries should be determined by the people in those countries and in most of them they don't want their monarchies back and those with monarchies are seeing calls for them abolition (softly in some and more loudly in others).

Monarchy is incompatible with the idea of an egalitarian society which is why most countries that are democracies don't want them back - particularly when they often had to have a violent period in their nation's history to get rid of them in the first place.
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:37 AM
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Really depends on how a country views its monarchy really.

Canada really has no republican movement to speak of. Except Quebec. A huge contrast to majority of the remaining countries under the queen. Likely because of how we view the monarchy.

The difference? Canada does see itself as a democracy. When we talk the head of our country, we mean our prime minister. When we are educated in school, the prime minister is really little different then a president in a republic. The queen is a face on money, and someone who opens parliament (well her governor general). Other then complaints about cost of a royal tour, there really is no call for a change. Nothing would really change for Canada if we ousted the queen, other then I guess trudeau would open parliament instead.

But yes, those countries which ousted the monarchies, there seems little value to reinstate. The longer those monarchies have been out of power, the less likely for them to be re-instated. There is a slight difference when it was a military coup which took over like Spain. They weren't talking of replacing a democratically elected government with the monarchy.
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:20 AM
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Really depends on how a country views its monarchy really.

Canada really has no republican movement to speak of. Except Quebec. A huge contrast to majority of the remaining countries under the queen. Likely because of how we view the monarchy.

The difference? Canada does see itself as a democracy. When we talk the head of our country, we mean our prime minister. When we are educated in school, the prime minister is really little different then a president in a republic. The queen is a face on money, and someone who opens parliament (well her governor general). Other then complaints about cost of a royal tour, there really is no call for a change. Nothing would really change for Canada if we ousted the queen, other then I guess trudeau would open parliament instead.

But yes, those countries which ousted the monarchies, there seems little value to reinstate. The longer those monarchies have been out of power, the less likely for them to be re-instated. There is a slight difference when it was a military coup which took over like Spain. They weren't talking of replacing a democratically elected government with the monarchy.
Well its nice to see Canada as secure but I thought your country had polls saying that the majority of Canadians wanted to ax the monarchy after QEII finally passes away (Given how long her mother lived that probably won't be for another decade at most in my opinion), are these polls saying truth or is this a case similar to the Serbian Restoration polls where the polls are pretty much bullcrap (pardon my French)?

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Old 01-18-2018, 12:24 AM
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To be honest I do believe that monarchy is fading. People want a say in all aspects of their government and that includes their Head of State.

When I first joined this board I was a monarchist but I am now a republican through and through - the sooner Australia becomes a republic the better as far as I am concerned.

What happens in other countries should be determined by the people in those countries and in most of them they don't want their monarchies back and those with monarchies are seeing calls for them abolition (softly in some and more loudly in others).

Monarchy is incompatible with the idea of an egalitarian society which is why most countries that are democracies don't want them back - particularly when they often had to have a violent period in their nation's history to get rid of them in the first place.
You know you're the only real republican I've ever spoken to that doesn't sound like he or she is just spewing out whatever comes to mind and that I respect.

Might I recommend you speak to a gentleman called the Mad Monarchist, you might enjoy having discussions with him and he might appreciate that you're mature and genuinely know what you're talking about.

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P.S. Well truth be told I've been a monarchist since high school (which was about 7 or 8 years ago) and I genuinely don't see myself going back to the republican side anytime soon. I know you guys (republicans) try to mean well but most of the ones I have seen are pretty much arrogant airheads most of the time.

Look I get it, egalitarianism, equality, the right to choose a head of state and everything else that goes with it but the problem I have with it is I just don't see it as plausible considering we're talking about the human race here. Equality is impossible in my opinion, nobody is born equal, you're either going to be born into a super rich family with everything offered to you on a silver plate, born into a middle class family like me, or born into a family that is either dirt poor or lives in a war torn/broken nation like Syria, Iraq, North Korea and the list goes on. Honestly as long as there are rich families, as long as the concept of dynasty itself exists there will be the concept of royalty.

Humans worship other humans, its just human nature so you might as well worship a dynasty that has meaning to it unlike the Kardashians or the North Korean Kim Dynasty.

Another problem I just have is well this generation; the people I see on Twitter, Reddit and the other "hotspots" are just full of people who just think they know whats best, why is it that republics have to be the default system here? What because you can choose your leader? Even then it still doesn't seem like a fair system because when you get down to it only a select few, or couple if you're in America, can run for president and come out on top, and sometimes rather unfairly (I would have preferred if Bernie Sanders became president instead) . I get it democracy can be eroded or manipulated so the unpopular person gets the presidency but still. Don't patronize me about how "good" it is to have the power to vote because for me and my family things have been going to #$%@ because the rules and the drawings of the districts in my state, I mean republicans only get like 50% of the vote and they get 85% of the seats in the state government, really? I can be rather liberal at times but I'm just so angry at the concept of republicanism right now and I'm not sure that anger will ever dissapate.

You could talk about all the pluses and benefits of a presidential republic all you want but when I look at the Weimar Republic, the short lived Russian Democratic Federative Republic, every single regime in both Mexico and Brazil that existed before and after the monarchy, the Second Spanish Republic, Italy and every other former monarchy all I feel is that those countries essentially fell to an abyss and many many people suffered because of it. I know there have been tyrannical monarchs and many of them but when you compare Mao, Stalin, al-Assad, Hitler, Saddam, Castro and many other presidents who have caused from hundreds of thousands to millions of deaths, I can't help but feel like there is hypocrisy here.

I can respect and accept the existence of republicans but I have no intention of getting back on that ship in my lifetime.
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Old 01-18-2018, 01:04 AM
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Well its nice to see Canada as secure but I thought your country had polls saying that the majority of Canadians wanted to ax the monarchy after QEII finally passes away (Given how long her mother lived that probably won't be for another decade at most in my opinion), are these polls saying truth or is this a case similar to the Serbian Restoration polls where the polls are pretty much bullcrap (pardon my French)?

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Polls? You mean popularity polls that the press take after a royal tour? Yes, we tend to complain about money when royal tours pass. And 'polls' tend to be answered by people who have issues. Is there a republican movement in Canada? No. Are there any major calls in press and parliament for us to consider a republic? No. The only movement in Canada for such is Quebec, and they want independence not only from the queen, but from the rest of us.
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Polls? You mean popularity polls that the press take after a royal tour? Yes, we tend to complain about money when royal tours pass. And 'polls' tend to be answered by people who have issues. Is there a republican movement in Canada? No. Are there any major calls in press and parliament for us to consider a republic? No. The only movement in Canada for such is Quebec, and they want independence not only from the queen, but from the rest of us.
My apologies, look I've only been to Canada twice in my life (each time for only a week or two) so I couldn't really get much for how royalist or republican your nation is, Canada is one of my favorite nations by the way. So I only had those "polls" to go with for how popular or unpopular the monarchy was. Even though I have been a monarchist for a few years now, I have only been talking to fellow monarchists only recently, only since November last year to be exact. Clearly I still have a lot to learn about the monarchist movements in the republics and the fights to retain them in the nations that are still monarchies.

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P.S. You know I envy Canada greatly not only because of the constitutional monarchy but also because of the parliamentary democracy. I personally think the USA would be much better if we had a parliament (basically three or more parties instead of just the constant bickering between the republicans and the democrats) and a prime minister instead of congress and a vice president. As much as I would like there to be a "United Kingdom of America" I think it would only further divide my nation because of religion, ethnicity and other issues, oh well one can dream right?

If I could choose my nationality I'd either be British, Canadian, Japanese, Swiss (I know its a republic but I just think the Swiss are awesome alright), Dutch, Swedish or Norwegian.
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Whelp ladies and gentlemen, after that talk about Canada, Republicanism as a whole and the status of restorations lets get back to talking what nation might become a monarchy (again) in my personal opinion.

Good Chance of Restoration:
  • Brazil (The republic hasn't really improved in popularity now has it?)
  • Romania (There have been talks in the past week)
  • Libya (There are still supporters and the crown prince isn't entirely against it.)
  • Nepal (Although the monarchist parties haven't really done well in the recent election, this could just be a sign of screwy tactics by the Maoist parties in Nepal manipulating opinions, polls, elections and what nots.)
  • Iran (If the Islamic Republic ever goes away of course)
  • Russia (When there are Eastern Orthodox Christians and a conservative nation then there is an appetite for a new Tsar/Emperor.)
  • Georgia (Former Soviet Republic and Russia's neighbor, the Georgian Royal Family is relatively popular and quite a few prominent figures have asked for a referendum on the matter as whole.)

Honorable Mentions:
  • Poland (As quirky and think tank as Polish monarchists are, you can help but feel there is at least some potential for the former Communist nation.)
  • Egypt (Well, like I said with Brazil, the republic isn't anymore popular now is it?)
  • Germany (You've got to admit that polls showing 20% supporting restoration have to be sort of a good sign for monarchism in the nation, but they'd have to gain more support and change a constitution that was practically set in stone.)
  • Montenegro (A creeping restoration could still happen and the royal family does have recognition at least.)
  • Greece (Well at least the deposed royal family is back in Greece and showing a little bit of interest about what goes on in their former kingdom.)
  • Portugal (Shows promise and at least the nation's monarchist party actually has a seat in government.)
  • Czech Republic (Even though the nation's monarchist party has been swept under the rug most of the time, at least it has 800 members, which isn't too bad for a nation with about 10 million. Plus it does appear to be rather popular to a certain extent in the country.)

Dishonorable Menstions
  • Bulgaria (YOU HAD ONE JOB, ONE JOB. That is all I have to say to the former Czar of the country.)
  • Serbia (The former monarchy with some of the most unreliable polls on the planet.)
  • France (Impossible as per usual)
  • Italy (Also impossible as per usual)
  • China (Insert over 9000 face palms here)

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Whelp ladies and gentlemen, after that talk about Canada, Republicanism as a whole and the status of restorations lets get back to talking what nation might become a monarchy (again) in my personal opinion.

Good Chance of Restoration:
  • Brazil (The republic hasn't really improved in popularity now has it?)
  • Romania (There have been talks in the past week)
  • Libya (There are still supporters and the crown prince isn't entirely against it.)
  • Nepal (Although the monarchist parties haven't really done well in the recent election, this could just be a sign of screwy tactics by the Maoist parties in Nepal manipulating opinions, polls, elections and what nots.)
  • Iran (If the Islamic Republic ever goes away of course)
  • Russia (When there are Eastern Orthodox Christians and a conservative nation then there is an appetite for a new Tsar/Emperor.)
  • Georgia (Former Soviet Republic and Russia's neighbor, the Georgian Royal Family is relatively popular and quite a few prominent figures have asked for a referendum on the matter as whole.)

Honorable Mentions:
  • Poland (As quirky and think tank as Polish monarchists are, you can help but feel there is at least some potential for the former Communist nation.)
  • Egypt (Well, like I said with Brazil, the republic isn't anymore popular now is it?)
  • Germany (You've got to admit that polls showing 20% supporting restoration have to be sort of a good sign for monarchism in the nation, but they'd have to gain more support and change a constitution that was practically set in stone.)
  • Montenegro (A creeping restoration could still happen and the royal family does have recognition at least.)
  • Greece (Well at least the deposed royal family is back in Greece and showing a little bit of interest about what goes on in their former kingdom.)
  • Portugal (Shows promise and at least the nation's monarchist party actually has a seat in government.)
  • Czech Republic (Even though the nation's monarchist party has been swept under the rug most of the time, at least it has 800 members, which isn't too bad for a nation with about 10 million. Plus it does appear to be rather popular to a certain extent in the country.)

Dishonorable Menstions
  • Bulgaria (YOU HAD ONE JOB, ONE JOB. That is all I have to say to the former Czar of the country.)
  • Serbia (The former monarchy with some of the most unreliable polls on the planet.)
  • France (Impossible as per usual)
  • Italy (Also impossible as per usual)
  • China (Insert over 9000 face palms here)

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At the moment any Restoration is difficult. In none of these countries there is a majority for Monarchy.
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