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Old 05-31-2017, 06:16 PM
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But there is a monarchy in Cambodia that elects a monarch, And of course Hawaii has to cede. But what if it wants British royao family to rule it again?
Why the British Royal family? Hawaii was an independent country with it's own Royal Family and it is they who should rule over the country not the British.
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Old 05-31-2017, 06:19 PM
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Hawaii cannot be a monarchy while remaining a US state because the US constitution requires all states to have a republican form of government.
But it should be up to the Hawaiians and not an occupying force who stole their country and deposed their Queen.
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Old 06-16-2017, 09:19 AM
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But it should be up to the Hawaiians and not an occupying force who stole their country and deposed their Queen.
The facts:

1. In the late 1800s, a coup overthrew the monarchy of Hawaii. The coup was led by native-born Hawaiians. (They were of US background, but they were native-born Hawaiians.)

2. The US intervened after the coup. The US has acknowledged that the annexation of Hawaii was unlawful.

3. In 1959, over 94% of Hawaiian voters voted for US statehood.

I'm not sure who would qualify today as an "occupying force who stole their country and deposed their Queen", since the Queen was deposed by a native-born Hawaiian-led coup first and then the US intervened. If you're saying that the US shouldn't have any say-so over Hawaii's government, then should the 94% of Hawaiian voters who voted for statehood in 1959 be ignored?
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:57 AM
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CSENYC. Impressed. You really know your history properly in true order. Today's PC will not agree but as a history major over 50 years ago, you nailed it correctly. Really don't know what the revised PC history professors have spun or new text books have left out today but historically, you are correct.
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Why the British Royal family? Hawaii was an independent country with it's own Royal Family and it is they who should rule over the country not the British.
The British ruled Hawaii before USA took over. U can read in Wikipedia. There was also a flag of Hawaii with a smaller British flag at the top left.
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Old 08-25-2017, 12:39 PM
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The British ruled Hawaii before USA took over. U can read in Wikipedia. There was also a flag of Hawaii with a smaller British flag at the top left.
No, not at all. And not even in Wikipedia.

The Hawaiian monarchy was began by a native nobe family who united the islands. Yes the flag has the Union Jack. But it also has the American flag. The first king had been friends with John Vancouver who gifted him a flag. He was known to fly it as symbol of friendship. But he had to take it down not to offend Americans. At times to appease the Americans, he flew theirs. In the end he combined the two into their own flag.

The British did at one time seize control but a period of a few months. When the Hawaiians took control back, both the British and French recognized the independent kingdom. It remained independent until the last queen was over thrown by foreign business men who wanted to see it join the US.btgere was Hawaiian support for the coup. And eventually the locals voted to join the US. But no British control.

If the monarchy was restored, this is considered by most the rightful heir

http://www.keouanui.org/Princess-Owana-Salazar.html
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