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Old 07-29-2016, 11:37 AM
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The berlebergs are HSH in Germany and HH in Denmark correct?
HSH is really a lousy translation of different German understandings like Durchlaucht and Erlaucht, two total different meanings.

It is the same with the lousy translation Grand Duke for Великий князь (Latin: Magnum Princeps). In most languages it is correctly translated as Großfürst (German), Grootvorst (Dutch), Grand-prince (French), Gran príncipe (Spanish) which indeed means: Grand Prince and not Grand Duke.

The lousy English translation Grand Duke is used for those magnificent princes from Tsarist Russia (Imperial Highnesses) ánd for the Grand Dukes of tiny Luxembourg which originally even did not held a royal rank... But tja... English, a world language, and so the absolutely incorrect translations spread over the globe.



Originally a Prince of Monaco, just a nobleman on a rock overlooking the sea, was Serenité. This translates as Your Serene, like Your Honour, Your Excellency, etc. When the thrones collapsed and the Grimaldis found themselves under the handful remaining reigning Houses, they started the form Altesse Sérénissime (Serene Highness) to upgrade a bit.
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Old 07-29-2016, 08:46 PM
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but that is not the case they aren't HH in denmark because of different German understandings . The children of Princess Benedikte are styled as Highnesses in Denmark by an Order in Council. Elsewhere they are Serene Highnesses by courtesy.
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In the long run I think most of these formerly reinging royals simply stick with the use of titles and honourifics simply because they can't be bothered to some up with new names - if nobody's taking it seriously in the first place than what's the harm of humouring them one in a while? Are republicans really that insecure?
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Old 07-29-2016, 10:26 PM
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In the long run I think most of these formerly reinging royals simply stick with the use of titles and honourifics simply because they can't be bothered to some up with new names - if nobody's taking it seriously in the first place than what's the harm of humouring them one in a while? Are republicans really that insecure?
there have been lately a trend especially in the reigning royal houses about disliking royal titles and almost seeing it as burden which i don't know why while royal houses like Luxembourg , denmark , sweden and liechtenstein are more proud of being royalty and having titles and their approval rates are in the 80/90% . being modern royals and broaching the public doesn't mean you must hate your title which reflect your ancestor history to be more close to people . and those who say that the children of the monarch as long as their parents on the throne only or only the heir to the throne should have a royal title then you are better off with a republic with only a title for the reigning
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Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden and Leichtenstein are much smaller countries than somewhere like Great Britain for example and I think that helps a more personal relationship between the population and the Royal family endure, (although apparently the Swedish throne is not perhaps so secure.)

This may also assist ex German royal Houses where the descendants are still active in the region with which they've always been associated, being present at important local events, supporting charities etc.
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Old 07-29-2016, 11:55 PM
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Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden and Leichtenstein are much smaller countries than somewhere like Great Britain
that's isn't a reason as you said Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden and liechtenstein are much smaller countries but in luxembourg there are 36 individual hold the HRH and the 37 on his/her way liechtenstein have 31 who hold the HSH and all the male holder of those titles are gonna pass it to their descendants .the united kingdom has only 21 holding the style of HRH 10 of them are the last of their branches to hold a royal title or even any title at all .
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HRH is nothing. It is not a title. It is a form of address. Like Your Honour. Like Your Eminence. Like Your Excellency. Like a member of Parliament is a Right Honourable. In most countries this sort of formalities have disappeared from daily life. Here and there you can still see actual traces of it. For an example in Spain you can see parking lots with a sign thqt these are reserved for the "Excmo. Ayuntamiento" (the excellent members of the city council).

The very actual titles are Prinz von Hannover, gravin van Limburg Stirum, Duque de Medina Sidonia or Marchese Pallavicini. When we look to lists, it looks quite a lot. In reality there have never been so few titled persons in Europe as today. And there have never been more Europeans than now. All these barons, princes, marquesses and lordships are less than 0,001% of the European population, which at the same time is a reason why they still attract attention, amazement and curiosity.
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it is hardly "nothing" it is an indicateion of a certain rank.
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Old 07-30-2016, 08:37 AM
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I think it means a lot less than it would have done in yester year.

Back in the day it was believed that royalty did hold a higher position, granted to them by a higher being. I don't think that's a general belief anymore.

Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on where you stand) the families granted this ranking still exist and short of saying - thanks, but I'm out of here! - still have a role to play as laid down centuries ago.

For example, I doubt Kate Middleton, when pronounced the wife of William felt elevated in any spiritual sense to highness although probably did in the worldly status sense.
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it is hardly "nothing" it is an indicateion of a certain rank.
In Belgium, when speaking to the King, the form of address is not "Your Majesty". It is "Sire". The Queen is just Madame (Mevrouw). Princes of the blood royal are addressed as "Monseigneur" (My Lord).

Their very neighbours in the North, the Netherlands, are always addressed as "Majesteit" and princes of the blood royal as "Koninklijke Hoogheid" (Royal Highness).

So it is not an indication of rank either. The Belgian royals are not differently ranked than their Dutch neighbours. It is a difference in culture. Note that the highest ranked royals in France were often known as "Monsieur". No name, no title. And everyone knew he/she was speaking about the Dauphin.
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Queen Mathilde is not Madame/Mevrouw as the Queens before She is Sa Majesté/Majesteit.
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Its a matter of formal or informal address. Take QEII, yes she is Her Majesty, but also informally as Ma'am. Depending on the situation both are correct and respectful. In Belgium, His and her majesty or Sire and Madam.
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Well I understand the correct thing to do with British royals is to say "Your Majesty" or "your Royal Highness" in the first sentence, and then go to Sir or Ma'am...But she is still "Your Majesty" and Queen even if called Ma'am.
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