ImKevin
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What do you think would happen ?
How would the head of the French monarchy be decided?
Would the new sovereign be the Legitimist claimant to the French throne?
Would the new sovereign be the Orleanist claimant to the French throne?
Would the new sovereign be the Bonapartist claimant to the French throne?
a revolution shortly afterwards, but less violent than the last one.
I don't think any of these people would volunteer for the dubious honor of being a royal. Sacrifice all your privacy, dignity and peace of mind just to become a public punching-bag. No Thanks!
If I were them I would be throwing yearly liberation parties to celebrate my private citizenship.
How would the head of the French monarchy be decided?
Would the new sovereign be the Legitimist claimant to the French throne?
Would the new sovereign be the Orleanist claimant to the French throne?
Would the new sovereign be the Bonapartist claimant to the French throne?
In what sense? Has anything happened in the last few years to make you feel that the Republic is not likely to last?What about now?
In what sense? Has anything happened in the last few years to make you feel that the Republic is not likely to last?
Their son Louis was murdered in prison aged 9 and their daughter Marie-Therese ended up rallying the masses of Bordeaux against Napoleon (but ended up leaving the city to spare the inhabitants) and was nominally Queen of France for about 20 minutes in 1830 between the abdications of her father-in-law and her husband (who was her cousin).Taking about French Royalty, what happened to Louis XVI of France and Marie Antonette's descendants after French Revolution?
Taking about French Royalty, what happened to Louis XVI of France and Marie Antonette's descendants after French Revolution?
It would almost certainly be the House of Orleans that would be restored (neither the Legitimists nor the Bonapartists have anywhere near enough support to make it happen, while the Orleanists might conceivably be able to pull it off if there were a sufficient seachange in public opinion with regard to the republic). It's not an entirely great likelihood for the Orleanists either, though.
Speculatively, I don't necessarily think it's a given that the monarchy would be overthrown soon the hypothetical restoral of the House of Orleans, though. The reaction of the Count of Paris to the Yellow Vests (calling for national unity, but recognizing that the grievances of the Yellow Vests are legitimate and must be resolved) leads me to suspect that, were he to accede to the Throne, the French Monarchy would, by the end of his reign, ultimately be more popular than it has ever been under any other of the descendants of Henry IV. I get the impression that Jean seems to understand the French people better than Macron does, which says a lot seeing as Macron was elected by the French people.
I get the impression that Jean seems to understand the French people better than Macron does, which says a lot seeing as Macron was elected by the French people.
The point is not that Jean has to understand the French people, i that the French people has to understand him. Knowing that he's barely acknowledged by the VAST majority of the people, a part seeing him as a dusty Catholic traditionalist totally out of touch with the man of the street and the other part asa living museum piece from a bygone area.
French people barely tolerate an elected Head of state, you can imagine if they had an unelected one...
Yes,ask Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette...
Like I said, I don't believe the House of Orleans has a great chance of being restored to begin with. My thoughts I primarily concerned with the hypothetical scenario unfolding after the undoubtedly unlikely event.The point is not that Jean has to understand the French people, i that the French people has to understand him. Knowing that he's barely acknowledged by the VAST majority of the people, a part seeing him as a dusty Catholic traditionalist totally out of touch with the man of the street and the other part asa living museum piece from a bygone area.
French people barely tolerate an elected Head of state, you can imagine if they had an unelected one...
This is why, hypothetically speaking, if the unlikely event of the restoration of the House of Orleans were to unfold, I do not believe it would be quickly followed by a revolution to overthrow the House of Orleans: Jean's reaction to the Yellow Vests suggests that, were he head of state and faced with a growing lot of discontent people, he would do exactly what Proudhon suggests would be necessary to "ward off the perils of a revolution"; namely, to ameliorate the underlying cause of popular discontent by addressing the movement's grievances.Every revolution first declares itself as a complaint of the people, an accusation against a victorious state of affairs, which the poorest always feel the first. It is against the nature of the masses to revolt, except against what hurts them, physically or morally. Is this a matter for repression, for vengeance, for persecution? What folly! A government whose policy consists in evading the desires of the masses and in repressing their complaints, condemns itself: it is like a criminal who struggles against his remorse by committing new crimes. With each criminal act the conscience of the culprit upbraids him the more bitterly; until at last his reason gives way, and turns him over to the hangman.
There is but one way, which I have already told, to ward off the perils of a revolution; it is to recognize it. The people are suffering and are discontented with their lot. They are like a sick man groaning, a child crying in the cradle. Go to them, listen to their troubles, study the causes and consequences of them, magnify rather than minimize them; then busy yourself without relaxation in relieving the sufferer. Then the revolution will take place without disturbance, as the natural and easy development of the former order of things. No one will notice it; hardly even suspect it. The grateful people will call you their benefactor, their representative, their leader. Thus, in 1789, the National Assembly and the people saluted Louis XVI as the "Restorer of Public Liberty." At that glorious moment, Louis XVI, more powerful than his grandfather, Louis XV, might have consolidated his dynasty for centuries: the revolution offered itself to him as an instrument of rule. The idiot could see only an encroachment upon his rights! This inconceivable blindness he carried with him to the scaffold.
Opposition to established authority is symptomatic to a revolutionary movement, not causal. To reiterate what Proudhon (himself a virilent revolutionary who earned the moniker of the Father of Modern Anarchism) said in the quote I provided above, "it is against the nature of the masses to revolt, except against what hurts them".Considering that a good part of the Yellow vests movement is/was against any form of authority, i have my doubts (and i guess with a Crowned autorithy things would have been far worse).
But its always fun to make hypothesis indeed ...