What If?... a chance to change British Royal History

[HIM_David]

Originally Posted by Leslie2006

If Mary I's pregnancy had resulted in a child, and the child was a boy, England and Spain would be more closely tied than they are now. However, if Elizabeth I had married the Count of Anjou and had children, James I/VI would have simply remained King of Scotland and Elizabeth's surviving descendants would be on the throne. If Edward VIII had married a suitable woman and fathered a legitimate heir, Elizabeth II would never have been crowned Queen. There would probably be a King Edward IX on the throne instead...with perhaps another George, Prince of Wales and then the whole Charles and Diana thing probably would've never happenend...because...well...Charles would have been George instead.

If the salic law had been changed in Hanover, Queen Victoria would have ruled over Hanover and the UK, thus QEII would be ruling over more territory.

I believe that Victoria would have been passed over because she would be unable to ascend to the throne because her uncle Ernest Augustus I King of Hanover (the third son of George the Third) would be favored under salic law.

Ernest Augustus I> George V of Hanover> Ernest Augustus II> Ernest Augustus III> Ernest Augustus IV> Ernst Augustus V

Ernst Augustus V would be King since 1987.
Thats accepting the Hanovarian rite to the throne.

For Windsor salic law one would have to look to George VI's brother Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester.

George VI> Edward VIII> George VI> Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester (as HM Elizabeth would be passed by for her cousin.) until 1974> Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester

Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester would be King under this formula. However he is 20th in Succession now.

[Katrianna]

An interesting article, it was on RoyalMusings Blog.


Prince William Might Be Second in Line to the British Crown, but Karin Vogel, at No. 4,973, Still Has a Shot - WSJ.com

[Midwestern Mom]

I don't know that Henry would of made a horrible priest....he was given the title Defender of the Faith by the pontiff at one point for his strong defense (he wrote papers) of Catholicism against religious heresies of the day.

MM

[Leslie2006]

Originally Posted by HIM_David

I believe that Victoria would have been passed over because she would be unable to ascend to the throne because her uncle Ernest Augustus I King of Hanover (the third son of George the Third) would be favored under salic law.

Ernest Augustus I> George V of Hanover> Ernest Augustus II> Ernest Augustus III> Ernest Augustus IV> Ernst Augustus V

Ernst Augustus V would be King since 1987.
Thats accepting the Hanovarian rite to the throne.

For Windsor salic law one would have to look to George VI's brother Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester.

George VI> Edward VIII> George VI> Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester (as HM Elizabeth would be passed by for her cousin.) until 1974> Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester

Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester would be King under this formula. However he is 20th in Succession now.

Well, I mean if the salic law had been changed to equal primogeniture in Hanover and the UK, QV would've been ruler of both. And as far as George VI's brother goes, if Edward VIII had fathered legitimate children, that would have never been an issue. George VI would've never been George VI lol He would have remained HRH the Duke of York. That very well could have happened - Bertie handing his rights over to Prince Henry - but it was highly frowned upon back then; duty was duty and the sons of George V were raised to believe in that, therefore Bertie took over as George VI when his brother abdicated because it's what was expected of him.

[cmbruno]

Originally Posted by Midwestern Mom

I don't know that Henry would of made a horrible priest....he was given the title Defender of the Faith by the pontiff at one point for his strong defense (he wrote papers) of Catholicism against religious heresies of the day.

MM

Let us suppose Arthur hadn't died without an issue but shortly after the child was born. Henry, as an archbishop would act first as regent, but beeing as derranged as he was, he would soon decide that he should be the the king. He would ask the Pope for a dispensation to marry so his descendents could rule after him. The Pope, under pressure from Catherine (who would support her heir) and her Spanish parents, would deny Henrry's request. At that point, Heny's mistress (Anne Boleyn) would already be pregnant, so Henry would abandon the Catholic Faith so he could get married and from there on history would repeat itself.

[PaulaB]

Originally Posted by Leslie2006

If Mary I's pregnancy had resulted in a child, and the child was a boy, England and Spain would be more closely tied than they are now. However, if Elizabeth I had married the Count of Anjou and had children, James I/VI would have simply remained King of Scotland and Elizabeth's surviving descendants would be on the throne. If Edward VIII had married a suitable woman and fathered a legitimate heir, Elizabeth II would never have been crowned Queen. There would probably be a King Edward IX on the throne instead...with perhaps another George, Prince of Wales and then the whole Charles and Diana thing probably would've never happenend...because...well...Charles would have been George instead.

If the salic law had been changed in Hanover, Queen Victoria would have ruled over Hanover and the UK, thus QEII would be ruling over more territory.

Mary I had two false pregnancies but never actually got pregnant. In august of 1555 her husband left for Spain he didn't return until 1557 when she had her second false pregnancies and in November 1558 she died.

[American Dane]

Originally Posted by cmbruno

Let us suppose Arthur hadn't died without an issue but shortly after the child was born. Henry, as an archbishop would act first as regent, but beeing as derranged as he was, he would soon decide that he should be the the king. He would ask the Pope for a dispensation to marry so his descendents could rule after him. The Pope, under pressure from Catherine (who would support her heir) and her Spanish parents, would deny Henrry's request. At that point, Heny's mistress (Anne Boleyn) would already be pregnant, so Henry would abandon the Catholic Faith so he could get married and from there on history would repeat itself.

Henry wasn't deranged at the beginning of his reign. His paranoia developed after he contracted syphilis, and he acted tyrannical only after his major jousting accident so I don't think history would have repeated itself.

[cmbruno]

Yes American Dane, Henry began as a perfect pince, but by the time Arthur's soon would be able to reign, Henry would already have known Anne.

[Princess B]

i wonder how it would have been if Queen Victorias cousin Princess Charlotte of Wales or her still born child had survived..... cant imagine no Victorian era....

[Emperor Roku XIV]

The way Britain progressed would have been vastly different under a different monarchy, in fact, Britain may have never even been established! Who knows how it would affect the world today if succession had been different!