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But if the ex-Kings have died, what about their heirs ?
As stated above the Crown Prince Alexander II was invited as head of his Royal House,his father the ex King Peter II died in 1970.If the ex King's of Greece,Bulgaria or Romania had all passed away then their heirs would have been invited.
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Thank you to everyone who's answered my questions ...... so here's another :)

Where does the Queen draw the line? Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Greece - how far back does she go?
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Thank you to everyone who's answered my questions ...... so here's another :)

Where does the Queen draw the line? Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Greece - how far back does she go?
You'd have to ask The Queen that one.
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Thank you to everyone who's answered my questions ...... so here's another :)

Where does the Queen draw the line? Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Greece - how far back does she go?
I'd say 1+ generation - the current former Monarchs and their current heirs. For instance, I very much doubt that, unless monarchy in Romania is restored, we'll see Prince Nicholas of Romania (heir of Crown Princess Margarita - heiress of King Michael) invited to events like Lunch with Monarchs. The Greeks may be a bit of a special case because they are close family (and I don't mean just by blood because all the others are too).
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The current detailed discussion of coronations has been moved to the Coronations and Enthronements thread.
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Isn't it simply tradition to refer to someone by the highest title they received in life even though they no longer "hold" the job? Former presidents and governors in the United States are always referred to as President Carter or Governor Pataki? So unless a country has a tradition of the former monarch taking a new title, such as Princess Beatrix, they would retain the title for life but not pass it on to their heir. Crown Prince Alexander's son Prince Peter will never be a Crown Prince unless the monarchy is restored.
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Isn't it simply tradition to refer to someone by the highest title they received in life even though they no longer "hold" the job? Former presidents and governors in the United States are always referred to as President Carter or Governor Pataki? So unless a country has a tradition of the former monarch taking a new title, such as Princess Beatrix, they would retain the title for life but not pass it on to their heir. Crown Prince Alexander's son Prince Peter will never be a Crown Prince unless the monarchy is restored.
Pretty much, yes.

While higher titles may be claimed it's not common for such titles to actually be used.

For example, Alexander of Yugoslavia, is the claimant to the throne of Yugoslavia. However as he became the claimant after the monarchy was abolished he doesn't use the title King Alexander II. Instead he is called Alexander II, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia. His heir, meanwhile is titled Peter III, Hereditary Prince of Yugoslavia, despite being the heir apparent.

When restorations do happen it's typical that the numbering is based on the line of monarchs who claimed the throne, even if they didn't ever hold it. So, for example the current claimant to the Jacobite succession is Franz, Duke of Bavaria. While he doesn't actually claim the British throne those who do so for him name him Francis II. There's never been a ruling British Francis I, however Franz's claim comes through Francis V, Duke of Modena, who was called Francis I by the Jacobites.
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The Orleanist Pretender to the French Throne is listed as Henri VII.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I am fairly certain that Peter I of Yugoslavia was the only Serbisn monarch to be crowned, and receive a coronation. I dont believe that Alexander I, or Peter II were crowned. I dont believe any of the monarvhs or princes before Peter I, were crowned, either.
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No any European monarch is crowned, not even the Pope, except... the British Sovereign.
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When Queen Wilhelmina, Queen Juliana and Queen Beatrix abdicated the kingship, they all reverted to the style they had before the kingship. After their death they are referred as "Queen".

In daily practice the abdicated Sovereigns (Beatrix, Juan Carlos, Albert II, Jean) enjoy high préseance and are placed directly after the reigning Sovereigns and before the Heirs. At all international events following their abdication you can see that for an example (then) Princess Juliana and/or Grand Duke Jean had (have) places of honour.
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There was considerable speculation about the style and title of Benedict XVI following the announcement of his abdication of the Petrine throne. Some suggested he would revert to the style of a Cardinal, but as we know, ultimately the Holy See settled on Pope Emeritus (which is consistent with retired clergy of most ranks). I realise this was a rather unique occurrence and I don't mean to provoke discussion about the Holy Father here, but it seemed relevant.

As mentioned previously, like other European monarchs, Popes since Paul VI have opted for installation masses, rather than coronations.
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There were two women who used the title Lady of the English: one was Empress Matilda, the other - Matilda's step-mother (Henry I's second wife), Adeliza of Louvain.
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Blanche II of Navarre is listed as a Sovereign of Navarre but she never reigned let alone was she crowned and died under mysterious circumstances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanche_II_of_Navarre
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