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Old 12-17-2011, 06:16 AM
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Well, this is a moot subject, cause it ain't gonna happen folks
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Old 12-17-2011, 07:19 AM
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Yeah when the USA was 13 colonies and not one of the biggest and most powerful countries in the world.
What is your point?

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Sharing the monarchy like in Australia isn't working out too well at the moment.
Please explain this comment. I live in Australia and haven't heard that things are going badly here because we share a monarch with the UK. Could you please explain how sharing the monarch is affecting us.


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Just because they are 'well known' and just because 192 years ago George III ruled the USA or it's 13 colonies, doesn't make the BRF a logical choice in my opinion, as nowadays they know nothing of the country itself.

It was 235 years ago, not 192.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course, just as I am entitled to mine.

George III was the last King of the original states - which is why his descendents would be the logical choice to me. The BRF know a great deal more about the country, and other countries around the world than probably any family on earth - simply because most of them have visited it both on holidays and officially and have been visited by numerous leading people from the US.

If they were to re-establish the monarchy in Russia who would be the logical family to be put into that position - the Romanovs - why - because they had held the position before.
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Old 12-17-2011, 07:39 AM
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Don't know how Australia got into this thread but anyway we are going very well with our Queen of Australia thank you very much
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Old 12-17-2011, 07:41 AM
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The US would never have a monarchy, our country was founded as a revolution against a monarch!
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Old 12-17-2011, 07:56 AM
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When there were only 13 colonies George III was their King and the present BRF are his senior line descendents - so they are the logical choice.

They could do what Canada, Australia and other countries do - share the British monarch with Britain.
Agreed. I wouldn't mind that. The British Royal Family was our royal family, although how connected were they to the US- did they even visit or have an official residence?

I cannot think of any "distinguished" citizens in the US who I'd want as a King or Queen. It's so difficult to find someone who is completely nonpartisan, and having a partisan political person appointed to a hereditary position as head of state would just not work.
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Old 12-17-2011, 07:59 AM
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It's interesting how the first theory is to "steal someone from the British Royal Family", I don't see how they have any greater experience to rule the USA than any other royal family.
At one time, there were rumors that the sovereignty of the USA would be offered to Charles Stuart "Bonnie Prince Charlie." Of course, there was also talk of making George Washington the king. Fortunately, nothing came of it.
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Old 12-17-2011, 10:49 AM
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I'm a monarchist and a royalist, and I will say, that I don't see any sort of monarchy working for the United States. People are too republican and are proud of the fact that they kicked out the British all those years ago (I personally feel that it was a mistake, because if we were still a British colony, we would have some culture and sophistication, which US in general lacks).
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Old 12-17-2011, 03:34 PM
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The land on which today U.S.A. sits has a very long history and did not start with the kicking out of the Brittish. A reading of the history of Luisiana will find both French and Spanish royalties. Hawaii had a monarchy. Our native american tribes had chiefs.

Although establishing a monarchy today is not likely the forefathers to our current citizens had a much more interesting and coloful past than most people have discovered.
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Old 12-17-2011, 03:55 PM
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I'm a monarchist and a royalist, and I will say, that I don't see any sort of monarchy working for the United States. People are too republican and are proud of the fact that they kicked out the British all those years ago (I personally feel that it was a mistake, because if we were still a British colony, we would have some culture and sophistication, which US in general lacks).
You live in NYC, one of the global capitals of culture and high-end restaurants, shopping, etc., and think that the US lacks culture/sophistication? Maybe if we had a stronger connection with the UK, we'd have as much culture as, say, Bermuda or the Falkland Islands?

I can see saying that having a royal family would add some glamor to government- we sure don't have that.
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Old 12-17-2011, 05:39 PM
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The thought has crossed my mind, but I think it's very unlikely to happen. Although Americans seem to find royalty exciting.
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Old 12-17-2011, 09:07 PM
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Someone once told me for Americans we care about royalty for 5 minutes then throw them back across the ocean until the next time they do something worth paying attention to. Apparently less than 10% of the population in the US watched that wedding.
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Old 12-17-2011, 10:21 PM
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Well, what kind of monarcy are you looking at? If you are looking at the British Monarchy and several of the others, they don't rule, they reign. So if we were going for that kind, we would still need a prime minister or premier to do the actual governing along with a parliament or congress, so what exactly would be the point of having a monarch? If it is only to go around opening hospitals etc., quite frankly that would be a waste of our money and enough of it is being wasted already.

Yes. As they do reign and not rule, their value is in their link to the history and tradition of Britain - a thing not "insertable" in practical terms and having no value if inserted. The Queen is the Queen (and the King will be the King) because that is the way it has always been. No created monarchy could survive and would bring nothing of value if it existed. Our monarchy (I am Canadian) is valuable to us because it is a part of our tradition - a thing, quite literally - not creatable.

That said, in the fantasy answer ... I would say if they WERE to have such an ill-fated endeavour, that it should be the result of a selection of existing royals-without-throne. It's either a monarchy with "royals" running it or it's a political institution that is run by popular vote. Not since the Magna Carta and the Boston Tea Party have those two ideas been able to share a church pew with comfort.

edited to say: I mean to say that while the British decidedly separated throne from politics, they did so without dethroning the Monarch. The Americans decidedly separated the two as well, but did take that extra step. It is the bell that CANNOT be unrung.
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And it would have happened under king George III but got independence with a revolution, and if it did happen we would probably be on the commonwealth realms list, well at least some or all of the 13 colonies.
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Should the United States become a Monarchy?

Politico: "America Needs a King"

America Needs a King - Michael Auslin - POLITICO Magazine

The author doesn't end up calling for a monarchy, but for a nonpartisan head of state with limited powers and a long term.

This is what I've been saying for years.

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Old 01-05-2014, 08:21 AM
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In a society so clearly 'split down the middle' politically a non partisan Head of State could only be a good thing..

Deciding on what form that might take, {Monarch or President} would be a matter for the American people, and as an Englishman 'I couldn't possibly comment'.

I would only say that if a society that cannot agree on how to provide healthcare to its citizenry, {without appalling rancour] I wouldn't expect a consensus.

As Americans would say 'good luck with that....'
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Old 01-05-2014, 09:45 AM
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Considering those in the Congress and Senate cannot decide what to agree on, I cannot envision the powers that be in the USA installing any kind of "Head of State" as they would probably be terrified that they might actually have to do something constructive, instead of throwing insults at each other and making sure Bills that should be passed with no problems are basically shouted down and run out of time.

Nice idea though
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:06 AM
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I would only say that if a society that cannot agree on how to provide healthcare to its citizenry, {without appalling rancour] I wouldn't expect a consensus.

As Americans would say 'good luck with that....'
I wouldn't blame US society for the healthcare debacle. Rather, members of one party in power decided to implement a health care plan without paying any attention whatsoever to representatives of the other party in government (or its voters), and so the result is what should be expected when one side, representing about 50% of the country, (1) is completely ignored and run over in a major policy decision that affects their lives and wallets significantly and (2) then partially returns to power.

That said, I cannot see Congress- or anyone- picking a nonpartisan head of state without great difficulty, so I think that you should give us Prince William and Kate and have a hereditary system!
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:27 AM
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Having a monarch goes against everything the US stands for. I don't see it happening. For one, it would require a constitutional amendment approved by all 50 states. I don't think a dictatorship is out of the question if we continue on our corrupt and lazy path. It would probably break the country into several parts and end the US as we know it.
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:40 AM
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I think that you should give us Prince William and Kate and have a hereditary system!
With respect... your countrymen made your feelings towards English Royals perfectly plain in 1775, and The Duke & Duchess of Cambridge are - a} unlikely to wish to raise their children in a foreign country and -b} are already heirs to the British Crown.

If you plump for a royal family how about the Kardashians.. they seem to be wildly popular [although perhaps lacking the requisite gravitas?}
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:59 AM
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Having a monarch goes against everything the US stands for. I don't see it happening. For one, it would require a constitutional amendment approved by all 50 states. I don't think a dictatorship is out of the question if we continue on our corrupt and lazy path. It would probably break the country into several parts and end the US as we know it.

A constitutional amendment actually only requires approval by 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the States.
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