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Old 08-16-2016, 06:12 PM
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The Commonwealth is the former territories of the British Empire. Still the question "What can the UK monarchy offer to the former colony besides the ephemeral unity?" stands.
The Commonwealth is NOT just the former members of the British Empire (and the USA does met that criteria anyway - or at least the original 13 colonies thereof) anymore. It is an organisation with shared goals and a number of countries are now members who were never part of the British Empire e.g. Rwanda and Mozambique.
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Old 08-16-2016, 06:12 PM
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The point stands that having a head of state above politics has many benefits!

Yes but it was originally intended to be a club of ex colonies! It did used to be called the British Commonwealth, and it still should!
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Old 08-16-2016, 06:22 PM
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If it still had 'British' in the title it wouldn't exist.

It was changed because many of the former colonies resented the word in the title and argued that it made them feel second class members due to having been colonies and some having had very bad experiences either as colonies or to gain independence.
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Old 08-16-2016, 07:32 PM
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I'm sorry but the thought of a monarch in the U.S. seems impossible and outlandish to me. But I mean just 20 years ago know one thought a woman could be a major party nominee for the presidency so "anything" could happen I guess.
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Old 08-16-2016, 07:42 PM
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There has been women who ran for president way before this. Somewhere along the way I think people forgot.


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Old 08-16-2016, 07:47 PM
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The point stands that having a head of state above politics has many benefits!
This works in Japan because of the special religious status of Emperors. Rich barons in 1200s tried to make it work and the post-Cromwell elites made it work in the UK.

Those, who finance the politicians in the USA to protect their interests, do not believe in such figurehead. The USA has an arrangement that resembles the Malaysian model of monarchy. Power brokers convene every four years to agree on a President to be a situational figurehead. This was reinforced by the 22nd Amendment in 1947.

It is rather puzzling to see people paying attention to US election theatrics and main players' histrionics.
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Old 08-16-2016, 08:24 PM
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There has been women who ran for president way before this. Somewhere along the way I think people forgot.


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Actually there has never been a woman to be the nominee for a major party for the office of president. There have been women, the most famous Victoria Woodhull, who have run to be a major party's nominee but never succeeded until Hillary.
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Old 08-17-2016, 03:28 PM
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This works in Japan because of the special religious status of Emperors. Rich barons in 1200s tried to make it work and the post-Cromwell elites made it work in the UK.

Those, who finance the politicians in the USA to protect their interests, do not believe in such figurehead. The USA has an arrangement that resembles the Malaysian model of monarchy. Power brokers convene every four years to agree on a President to be a situational figurehead. This was reinforced by the 22nd Amendment in 1947.

It is rather puzzling to see people paying attention to US election theatrics and main players' histrionics.
Have you ever heard of Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders?
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Old 08-17-2016, 08:34 PM
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This works in Japan because of the special religious status of Emperors. Rich barons in 1200s tried to make it work and the post-Cromwell elites made it work in the UK.

Those, who finance the politicians in the USA to protect their interests, do not believe in such figurehead. The USA has an arrangement that resembles the Malaysian model of monarchy. Power brokers convene every four years to agree on a President to be a situational figurehead. This was reinforced by the 22nd Amendment in 1947.

It is rather puzzling to see people paying attention to US election theatrics and main players' histrionics.
Not quite true, but sometimes it looks like it. Bill Clinton came from very humble beginnings, as did Richard Nixon, Harry Truman. There is a lot of money spent, but the people, right or wrong pick the President. Mitt Romney was very heavily supported by the power brokers last election and he lost. The power brokers supported John Mc Cain, 2008. He lost, too. And the president is not a figurehead, otherwise he would not garner the criticism he gets. Actually, you have little understanding of the system and how the people work. Nothing in our system resembles the Malaysian Monarchy.
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So now the US has picked its fourth deeply-polarizing president in a row.

I don't see any Constitutional changes, which would be necessary to have a non-partisan head of state, but I wonder if any significant number of people will start thinking about having one?
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:09 PM
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now the US has picked its fourth deeply-polarising president in a row.
No sane personage would touch such a precarious, fragile role with a [VERY LONG] Barge Pole... The US seems an evenly balanced Powder Keg.
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Old 11-09-2016, 08:48 PM
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We have picked some bad presidents and many good. Some bad ones turned out to be good and some good ones not so great. So be it. To have a separate head of state is ridiculous. Having a queen and her trail of family sucking up funds and doing da da, is nonsense. Having a foreign entity as head of state (Canada, Australia) seems counterproductive and will probably end with this queen. That outsiders don't understand this system is fine. We still have the strongest and healthiest economy ion the world. The strongest military and we get along, fighting each other quite well. And if someone attacks us, we gather together. No one understands this. We are large, rowdy and difficult. Benjamin Franklin said that's because we are Americans.
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Old 11-10-2016, 01:04 PM
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We have picked some bad presidents and many good. Some bad ones turned out to be good and some good ones not so great. So be it. To have a separate head of state is ridiculous. Having a queen and her trail of family sucking up funds and doing da da, is nonsense. Having a foreign entity as head of state (Canada, Australia) seems counterproductive and will probably end with this queen. That outsiders don't understand this system is fine. We still have the strongest and healthiest economy ion the world. The strongest military and we get along, fighting each other quite well. And if someone attacks us, we gather together. No one understands this. We are large, rowdy and difficult. Benjamin Franklin said that's because we are Americans.
If having a separate head of state is ridiculous, why do so many countries have that structure? I believe that far more countries have structures with separate heads of state than have a Presidential system like the US has.

I'm an "insider" and I don't think that the US system is fine.

The US doesn't have the strongest or healthiest economy in the world. Australia, Canada, etc. have experienced more growth, and more per-capita income growth, than the US has for quite some time; middle-class Canadians are now wealthier than middle-class Americans, for the first time in history.

We get along? That's news to me.
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Old 06-16-2018, 01:31 AM
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I am a firm believer that what is right for one country may be totally wrong for another and, I would never dare to say "we have the best" anything, because who knows where we stand on health, education, welfare, etc. against other countries in the world.

A country may be the best in the world for one thing and severely lagging behind on another.
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Old 06-17-2018, 02:58 AM
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We have picked some bad presidents and many good. Some bad ones turned out to be good and some good ones not so great. So be it. To have a separate head of state is ridiculous. Having a queen and her trail of family sucking up funds and doing da da, is nonsense. Having a foreign entity as head of state (Canada, Australia) seems counterproductive and will probably end with this queen. That outsiders don't understand this system is fine. We still have the strongest and healthiest economy ion the world. The strongest military and we get along, fighting each other quite well. And if someone attacks us, we gather together. No one understands this. We are large, rowdy and difficult. Benjamin Franklin said that's because we are Americans.
Really he said that? Good ole Ben. I get what you're saying and understand your need to defend our country especially on this board. I feel we have the best system for us... Not every country will find such a system beneficial. We are a nation based on the idea of equality and everyone can thrive; true there have been fights that over true equality for all that has lasted centuries but the foundation is inherent in the ideals of the country. Inherited titles, inherited head of state isn't something this country wants. If we want ties to the past we build a monument; other countries prefer a living breathing monument and that's ok.
One thing the US still needs to understand is that our kind of democracy isn't best for all countries and cultures.
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Old 06-17-2018, 04:50 AM
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We have picked some bad presidents and many good. Some bad ones turned out to be good and some good ones not so great. So be it. To have a separate head of state is ridiculous. Having a queen and her trail of family sucking up funds and doing da da, is nonsense. Having a foreign entity as head of state (Canada, Australia) seems counterproductive and will probably end with this queen. That outsiders don't understand this system is fine. We still have the strongest and healthiest economy ion the world. The strongest military and we get along, fighting each other quite well. And if someone attacks us, we gather together. No one understands this. We are large, rowdy and difficult. Benjamin Franklin said that's because we are Americans.
All I will say about this comment is.............., in your dreams for so many of us are living in a nightmare and have been for decades now.....
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Old 06-17-2018, 11:16 AM
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I've lived through many eras in modern times and have always been proud to be an American. Sometimes though, I do wish that our President and Head of State, duly elected by the people, for the people and of the people was only just that. Not a political party President or a left wing, right wing, breast or thigh politically bent President but one that for four years was apolitical when it came to the duties of his office. Today, its not the form of government that the US has that is out of whack but the people involved in it. Parties have their own agenda and with all the in fighting and the conspiracies and the machinations to "triumph" over the other side and push their agendas through, they're forgetting who they actually work for. We, the people. Take this quote from Abraham Lincoln and insert "red" for slave and "blue" for free and we have the present situation in Washington, D.C.

Its no wonder that an American citizen has written to HM, Queen Elizabeth II asking for her to take the States back.

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Old 06-17-2018, 12:06 PM
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No sane personage would touch such a precarious, fragile role with a [VERY LONG] Barge Pole... The US seems an evenly balanced Powder Keg.

Perhaps.
But, what country isn't a powder keg these days?
I can't think of any!
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Old 06-17-2018, 12:19 PM
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Some have questioned this statement [by private message].. what I mean by it is that the populace votes Republican or Democrat in almost equal measure.
It wasn't a comment on the 'state of the [collective] 'mind' in the USA,
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I've lived through many eras in modern times and have always been proud to be an American. Sometimes though, I do wish that our President and Head of State, duly elected by the people, for the people and of the people was only just that. Not a political party President or a left wing, right wing, breast or thigh politically bent President but one that for four years was apolitical when it came to the duties of his office. Today, its not the form of government that the US has that is out of whack but the people involved in it. Parties have their own agenda and with all the in fighting and the conspiracies and the machinations to "triumph" over the other side and push their agendas through, they're forgetting who they actually work for. We, the people. Take this quote from Abraham Lincoln and insert "red" for slave and "blue" for free and we have the present situation in Washington, D.C.

Its no wonder that an American citizen has written to HM, Queen Elizabeth II asking for her to take the States back.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved—I do not expect the house to fall—but I do expect it will cease to be divided." - Abraham Lincoln

“Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall.” - John Dickinson "The Liberty Song" 1768
if the President were merely a head of state, it would be a completely different system to what you have..
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