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Old 12-28-2013, 05:01 PM
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True and it also doesn't give you Princess Anne. She is one of the hardest working Royal in the British Rpyal Family.
Currently Princess Anne ranks 2nd after her brother in iluvbertie's counting. I think this poll looks at monarchs and heirs.

As for where the information belongs, the article isn't just about the BRF, which the annual engagements thread is about.
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Old 12-28-2013, 05:14 PM
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Currently Princess Anne ranks 2nd after her brother in iluvbertie's counting. I think this poll looks at monarchs and heirs.

As for where the information belongs, the article isn't just about the BRF, which the annual engagements thread is about.
okay, than i will repeat my view on it here: it's an article by a danish tabloid and in my view is written to compare the danish royals with some of their counterparts in other royal houses most familiar to the danish public.

imo the article is written to insinuate that the danish royals work less than they could, and just that.
The article does in no way imply to be a thorough study of all RF's, and DM is just trying to squeeze a story out of it...
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Old 12-28-2013, 05:21 PM
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okay, than i will repeat my view on it here: it's an article by a danish tabloid and in my view is written to compare the danish royals with some of their counterparts in other royal houses most familiar to the danish public.

imo the article is written to insinuate that the danish royals work less than they could, and just that.
The article does in no way imply to be a thorough study of all RF's, and DM is just trying to squeeze a story out of it...
Exactly.
Its hard to compare houses, just because they have a different way to count their events and also how they list the events themselves on their calendars. some list every meeting and some do not
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Old 12-28-2013, 05:26 PM
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Exactly.
Its hard to compare houses, just because they have a different way to count their events and also how they list the events themselves on their calendars. some list every meeting and some do not
Well that but what tabloid is ever known for scientifically-based articles, nope, imo just written to downplay the efforts of the Danish RF
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Old 12-28-2013, 05:48 PM
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Well that but what tabloid is ever known for scientifically-based articles, nope, imo just written to downplay the efforts of the Danish RF
agreed
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Old 12-28-2013, 05:57 PM
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okay, than i will repeat my view on it here: it's an article by a danish tabloid and in my view is written to compare the danish royals with some of their counterparts in other royal houses most familiar to the danish public.

imo the article is written to insinuate that the danish royals work less than they could, and just that.
The article does in no way imply to be a thorough study of all RF's, and DM is just trying to squeeze a story out of it...
That is IMO a correct view.

Ekstra Bladet is a republican tabloid and it is repeatedly critical of the DRF, sometimes irrationally so. (Something even their own readers don't fail to point out).
Their study should be viewed with a very critical eye.

Anyway, none of the other papers in DK have even bothered to mention this study, which should otherwise raise a debate. So perhaps that says more about this subject than anything else?
I certainly have problems taking a study in a tabloid that has severe problems getting the facts straight about the DRF, to be competent enough to assess the workload of other royal families.

Had this article been made by one of the serious newspapers it would be worth noting. As it is Ekstra Bladet has sadly degenerated to a point where the only things they are really good at covering are crime and undercover journalism.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:12 PM
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Without making this too confusing, this thread Annual Engagements by members of the Royal Family 2011-2013 pertains only to members of the British Royal Family, if you wish to discuss the other royals mentioned (or not mentioned for some unknown reason), this is the correct thread to do so.

Right now, this is the plan.
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Has anyone pointed out that the UK is exactly that--a united kingdom and commonwealth nations? It's much larger geographically than a lot of other monarchies. They have to work more, they've got more ground to cover.
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Old 12-29-2013, 12:37 AM
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A big THANKYOU!! It's not as if Lichtenstein, Monaco, or the Grand Duchy of Lux have or need a Royal family to do the same scale of engagements as the BRF.
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:25 AM
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But any engagement outside the UK is counted as overseas, exactly the same as counting WA and Maxima's introductory visits this year. The BRF haven't done a lot of commonwealth visits this year.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:13 AM
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A quick count indicates 35 overseas tours , not all to Commonwealth countries - with joint tours only being counted as one and not two - this year by members of the BRF.

The only members of the family who didn't undertake official engagements overseas this year - The Queen (had to cancel a trip to Italy when she took ill earlier in the year), William and Kate and Alexandra. All the other did a number of overseas tours and the married couples did overseas tours both together and separately.

Countries visited include - Canada, Belgium, The Netherlands, France, Vatican City, Indonesia, Vietnam, Japan, India, Sri Lanka, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Brazil, Argentina, South Africa, Australia, et. al.
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:14 AM
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How many were in the commonwealth?
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Old 12-29-2013, 07:46 AM
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Has anyone pointed out that the UK is exactly that--a united kingdom and commonwealth nations? It's much larger geographically than a lot of other monarchies. They have to work more, they've got more ground to cover.
Whilst I completely agree that they also have Commonwealth commitments there are also a lot more members of the BRF to share the load out. I would imagine that Sweden, Denmark and Norway have plenty of events and charities for at least the Kings/queens and heirs to support.
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Forgetting the article:

From the pictures and posts on these forums I have an idea that P.Albert of Monaco does a lot of work-engagements, but national and international... he seems to be working at least 5 days every week..
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Old 12-29-2013, 10:14 AM
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From the pictures and posts on these forums I have an idea that P.Albert of Monaco does a lot of work-engagements, but national and international... he seems to be working at least 5 days every week..

He also is directly engaged in the running of the country. His work is SO MUCH MORE than official engagements. Prince Albert probably works every day--I wouldn't be surprised if he were actually the hardest working royal.
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The article that started this thread discussed the number of days (as identified by entries on the official calendars) and not number of engagements nor the work that is done behind the scenes.

In reality we will never know how many days any of the royals actually work as they all have different roles within their countries. Even the reigning monarch have different responsibilities and relationships with the respective governments and elected officials.
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Old 12-29-2013, 04:35 PM
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That is the problem with the survey - it is relying on what the different royal houses publish as the official activities.

We know, for instance, that the red boxes have to be read and dealt with by The Queen every day, except Christmas Day and 6th February, so she works 363 days a year but the recording of 'red boxes' doesn't appear in her entry in the CC (even her approval of the CC each day - an official duty - isn't recorded as happening and yet it is part of her work schedule). Charles also sees the red boxes so presumably also works 363 days a year to read what is in them. We don't know when William will start seeing them. He may already do so but that hasn't been announced and won't be until he is King. (How I know Charles sees them - was told that by people who work at BP and that he has been seeing them since he was a young man - as part of his preparation to be King. George VI had QEII start seeing them when she was about 16 - except for the extremely 'top secret' war plans. The origin of this idea goes back to Queen Victoria's refusal to let her son and heir see them until very late in her reign so Edward VII insisted that his son see them throughout his reign ensuring that George was better prepared to be King than he had been).

I assume that all the constitutional monarchs and adult heirs have something similar to do, which means that they also work more days than listed in this survey, just on the day to day constitutional roles - done behind closed doors in offices and usually alone or with a private secretary or two to check things through with them.
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The Hardest working Royals in Europe in 2013

So is this survey a load of crap then?
Also does anyone know the different functions of the different EU monarchies? Are all just figureheads, except Monaco and Leichenstein, or do some have more power.
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:38 PM
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Their functions and powers to vary. The British have the power, for instance, to veto legislation - a power not exercised since the days of Queen Anne but it exists nonetheless. Basically the monarch in Britain has the power to dissolve parliament, appoint the PM and advise, warn and be consulted - however these powers are exercised on the advice of the PM so it could be said that they have no power. As Duke of Lancaster the monarch has the power to veto legislation that affects their income from the Duchy, as does the Duke of Cornwall in areas that affect the Duchy of Cornwall but again this power hasn't been exercised for centuries but the tradition of consulting them still happens.
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Does anyone have any info on the continental monarchs powers?
Liechtenstein from Wikipedia:
The Prince of Liechtenstein has broad powers, which include the appointment of judges, the dismissal of ministers/government, veto power and the calling of referenda; a national referendum to adopt Hans-Adam's revision of the constitution to expand his powers passed in 2003.[1] The changes also included a republican option, whereby the Prince was henceforth formally barred from vetoing any bill to establish a republic, but the Prince can veto any other law.
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