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Old 08-20-2015, 03:34 AM
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From the top of my head: Emperor Meiji, the great-grandfather of the current Emperor Akihito, was the offspring of a concubine.

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Meiji's successor, Emperor Taisho, was also born to a concubine. Taisho was the last Japanese emperor to be born to a concubine.
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Old 08-31-2015, 12:23 AM
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The difference in Japan is that should the situation arise they'd probably pick a male member of the quite numerous formerly imperial family branches that was demoted from their status after WWII. Apparently many of them still bear a grudge and consider themselves royal.


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Actually illegitimate children do have succession rights in Japan. Legitimate sons have precedence over illegitimate (even when older) sons, but an illegitimate son of the Emperor would (should he not have legitimate male children) take precedence over a legitimate brother of the Emperor. In fact, a couple of years ago one of the late Mikasa sons suggested Crown Prince Naruhito should take a concubine to produce an heir.

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Under the current Imperial House Law, which entered into force in 1947, only legitimate male-line offspring of an emperor may be members of the imperial family, and only male members of the imperial family may succeed to the imperial throne.

Prince Tomohito's "concubine" suggestion in 2005, if it had been taken seriously, would have meant repealing the legal ban on polygamy in Japan. But reinstating polygamy was never seriously considered. Before Prince Hisahito's mother announced her pregnancy in 2006, the Japanese government planned to amend the Imperial House Law to allow the emperor's firstborn (legitimate) child to succeed, regardless of gender. Reinstating former imperial family branches was considered, but rejected.

The feelings of the former imperial branch members are unknown because all but one of them agreed to keep their views on imperial succession issues to themselves.

The Imperial House Law - The Imperial Household Agency

Succession Issues
Imperial Family of Japan: Current Events July 2005 - May 2008
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While an official mistress may be better than a regular mistress, and the children born to an official one may be held higher than the children born to just any old mistress, the fact remains that in Europe, the children of a mistress were not as high as the children of a wife, nor was the mistress comparable to the wife. The children of an official mistress in Europe might be given titles and good marriages and belong to the nobility, but they didn't have succession rights.
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Exactly. In some cases Louis XV as I recall legitimised some of his illegitimate childrene but that just gave them a slightly higher status and problaby was done to gvie them better marraige chances. It didn't mean they were in the succession. Mistresses had no rights, Concubines and their children do.
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Old 09-05-2016, 05:30 AM
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In the Netherlands royal succession for persons born outside the royal marriage is impossible. This because a dynast needs to be born in a marriage which has been approved by an Act of Consent. To put it stronger: a royal person engaging into marriage without an Act of Consent looses his/her very own succession rights.

Article 28 of the Constitution

28.1
The King, engaging into marriage without an Act of Consent, abdicates the kingship.

28.2
When a successor engages in a marriage without an Act of Consent, he and the children born from said marriage as well their descendants are excluded from the hereditary succession.


Article 28.2 applied on the following persons who did not request for an Act of Consent:
HH Prince Floris van Oranje-Nassau, Van Vollenhoven x Aimée Söhngen (2005)
HH Prince Pieter-Christiaan van Oranje-Nassau, Van Vollenhoven x Anita van Eijk (2005)
HRH Prince Friso of the Netherlands x Mabel Wisse Smit (2004)
HRH Princess Christina of the Netherlands x Jorge Pérez Guillermo (1975)
HRH Princess Irene of the Netherlands x HRH Prince Carlos Hugo de Bourbon de Parme (1964)
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Prince William, Duke of Clarence and Dorothea Jordan had five sons and five daughters. Nine of the children were named after William's brothers and sisters.
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Many illegitimate sons became monarchs in medieval Europe, most often when their father did not have any legitimate male heirs.

Succession in the medieval Kingdom of Norway
The Royal House of Norway - The unification of Norway

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In the Middle Ages the Kingdom of Norway was a hereditary electoral monarchy – in other words, the monarchy was based on a combination of inheritance and electoral consent. All the king’s sons, legitimate and illegitimate alike, inherited an equal right to the throne and could bring their claim before the assembly. Those present at the assembly would decide whether to elect the son who sought the throne. Acceptance by the assembly – the people’s consent – gave legitimacy to the authority of the king.
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