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Old 02-12-2013, 12:29 PM
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Who truly deserves the throne in my story?

I'm writing a story my main villain is after the throne of a king for reasons known only to him and the current king. Now the king has a daughter who is later revealed to not be biologically related to the king but he still raised her as his own daughter. She's not even of royal blood.

The king had a son who died before the girls birth and it comes out that the main villain is the the son and he had been betrayed by his own father and left for dead only to survive and be disowned for an unfair reason.

Now my question is who deserves to be the heir?
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:45 PM
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I would say the son. Even though against odds he did survive, he still is the King's first born son and carries the royal blood. Kind of like King Uther Pendragon's situation with Arthur. Even though Morgana is the King's daughter (adopted in your story), a first born son would take precedence over any female. It would also depend on the historical period that you are setting your story in. If futuristic, equal primogeniture most like would be in place but still there's the matter of royal bloodlines vs. adopted. It would figure in too if anyone other than the present King knew she wasn't his biological daughter.
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Old 02-12-2013, 01:26 PM
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i didnt even need to think twice, who truly deserves the throne is: The Son

no matter if he was abandoned or betrayed, once he returns to his mainland, he has the right to be the immediate heir of the King. First: he is of royal blood. Second: he is a boy/son (considering its Medieval time). Third: he's the King's son and not of any "ordinary" royal. Fourth: he is the eldest and only son.

even though raised by the King himself, the girl is adopted and thus she doesnt have any legimate rights to succed the throne, and even less when the son makes an appearence.
but theres a way, she can be Queen but Queen consort if she marries the son. of course its your story, im sure you're going to put drama, betrayal, etc...

when i read your information of your story, i thought right away of a Korean drama called Queen Seon Deok, where she was born a twin (both girls), but her father had to abandoned her in order for his wife and his throne to be alive (because of a myth that when twins are born, caos will come). however she returned and brought back what was stolen from her and she became The First Female Queen in Korean history of monarchs.

just off-topic, but i like to write stories, ive only wrote a full story on a book level (the era is medieval in Europe and the title is "Memoirs of a Plebeian") and i wrote a full-lengh synopsis story called "Ameraah" (ancient Asia). whats your story's title?
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Old 02-12-2013, 04:11 PM
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It's wonderful to write stories and this one sounds very intriguing!

As others have said, I believe that the long-lost son is the rightful heir to the throne......although I suppose it depends on the constitution of the country! Maybe the law changed to make the adopted daughter rightful heir and they eventually marry to become joint monarchs?!! Perhaps when the King dies, other lands belonging to him are dicovered enabling both to reign over their own countries!
I have to say that as soon as I read that the daughter was adopted, the obvious thing would be for her and the son to get married. I'm quite sure there will be a twist in the tale!!
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I expect it will be the one with the biggest army and the most supporters to back up their claim.
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Old 02-12-2013, 05:39 PM
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It's wonderful to write stories and this one sounds very intriguing!

As others have said, I believe that the long-lost son is the rightful heir to the throne......although I suppose it depends on the constitution of the country! Maybe the law changed to make the adopted daughter rightful heir and they eventually marry to become joint monarchs?!! Perhaps when the King dies, other lands belonging to him are dicovered enabling both to reign over their own countries!
I have to say that as soon as I read that the daughter was adopted, the obvious thing would be for her and the son to get married. I'm quite sure there will be a twist in the tale!!
Actually the son wants her dead he despises her simply for being loved more by his father who cast him aside for no reason. He even kills his father to get the throne. The Princess's love interest is the true protagonist and main character.
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I expect it will be the one with the biggest army and the most supporters to back up their claim.
Or access to same effective poisons or, failing that, really sharp daggers.
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Can an american have a royal title?

If you are born in the states and have parents of nobility can you have a royal title?
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Of course, which determines if you'll have a title is your parents (most likely your father) not your nationality.
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Yes, Americans can inherit titles and a number of them have. The Earl of Wharncliffe is an American by birth and lives in Maine.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:20 PM
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I don't believe the UK prohibits anyone born in any country (US or otherwise) from inheriting a title.

However, interestingly enough, some countries don't allow citizens to hold foreign titles. In 2001 when HM wanted to confer a life peerage on Conrad Black (who held dual British/Canadian citizenship) the Federal Court of Canada ruled that a Canadian citizen should not receive a British titular honour as per the 1919 Nickle Resolution.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:22 PM
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Doesn't have to be a UK title either.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:31 PM
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Maybe you'll like to read this.

Can American citizens hold royal titles? | The Tribune
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I don't believe the UK prohibits anyone born in any country (US or otherwise) from inheriting a title.

However, interestingly enough, some countries don't allow citizens to hold foreign titles. In 2001 when HM wanted to confer a life peerage on Conrad Black (who held dual British/Canadian citizenship) the Federal Court of Canada ruled that a Canadian citizen should not receive a British titular honour as per the 1919 Nickle Resolution.
Yes, it is not that Canadian law does not allow Canadian to hold a title it is that they cannot themselves be created a peer or receive a British knighthood. Interestingly there is not the same problem with receiving knighthoods from other nations, presumably because the recipient does not get to call themselves Sir. A number of peers actually live in Canada.
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Isn't Christopher O'Neill going to become the Duke of Hälsingland and Gästrikland of jure uxoris, upon marrying Princess Madeleine in June?
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Isn't Christopher O'Neill going to become the Duke of Hälsingland and Gästrikland of jure uxoris, upon marrying Princess Madeleine in June?
Probably, but it won't be a title conferred on him it will be a title gained by marriage and lost if the marriage is dissolved. It is his wife's duchy not his in his own right.
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Isn't Christopher O'Neill going to become the Duke of Hälsingland and Gästrikland of jure uxoris, upon marrying Princess Madeleine in June?
Are Swedish titles conferred onto men when they marry women who hold them in their own right?

That was awkwardly phrased....

In Britain when a woman who holds a title in her own right marries her husband doesn't get the title. We see this in Princess Anne; when she married her husband didn't become The Prince Anne, he remained title-less. In comparison, when Prince Andrew married, Sarah Ferguson became The Princess Andrew in addition to the female equivalent of Prince Andrew's other titles. If Sweden operates under the same principles, then Christopher O'Neill will remain Christopher O'Neill and not become the Duke Hälsingland and Gästrikland of jure uxori.
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^^^^^
When Maddy was going to marry Jonas it was announced that he would be known as duke (but not HRH). Maddy is the one having the dukedom, her husband would just be a consort duke rather like it is done in Spain with the Infantas husbands.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:08 PM
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Let's wait and see what the SRF announces before the wedding!
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:22 PM
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I was always under the impression that Americans could NOT hold titles. That's why the founding fathers decided on an elected President rather than any type of monarchy. They knew how a system of nobility could be abused.

Makes me want to do more research on this.
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