Out of Wedlock Children and Succession Rights

[Nicolas of Albania]

Originally Posted by PaulaB

As someone who has the feeling there may be an ofspring of my late dad hanging around I have different feelings. If your mother is slapper enough to sleep with a married man you should not be rewarded by getting money from the family for the unwanted one. If it turns out he did have more kids they will not get anything from us as
a my father left debts nothing else
b biological relationship or no they are unwanted unwelcome and told to get lost if they ever turn up.

I don't mean to be rude, PaulaB but aren't you being cruel? Is it fair to punish these peopel for their father's sins? My father had a similar thing going on, but both of my parents said it didn't matter because they were still my siblings, even if only by half.

[Nicolas of Albania]

Having read all of the posts, my opinion is still the same as it was before; illegitimate children shouldn't be allowed to inherit unless their parents marry at some point and they are thus techanically legitimized. It is the best way to avoid all sorts of succession conflicts. At the same time, illegitimate children shouldn't be hidden and despiced; they didn't choose to be born that way, so why punish them? Being from a family where "illegitmacy" was common, and both my parents were "illegitimate", those are my feelings. also, they should be given money from their father's estate, it is only fair. There is precedent for this, as some kings made their illegitmate children nobles or made sure their illegitmate daughters married well. Joanna, Princess of Wales, is a good example of the latter

[PaulaB]

Originally Posted by Nicolas of Albania

I don't mean to be rude, PaulaB but aren't you being cruel? Is it fair to punish these peopel for their father's sins? My father had a similar thing going on, but both of my parents said it didn't matter because they were still my siblings, even if only by half.

As I said you get that sort of punishment if your mother is that much of a slapper. If anyone comes to me saying they are my long lost half "brother" or "sister" they are going to be told to go away and never come back.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by PaulaB

As I said you get that sort of punishment if your mother is that much of a slapper.

Continually calling the mother a "slapper" leads to no surprise in your opinion. Perhaps you ought to change that narrow minded male view of yours and actually realise what you're saying is cruel and shallow.

[Lady74]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

Continually calling the mother a "slapper" leads to no surprise in your opinion. Perhaps you ought to change that narrow minded male view of yours and actually realise what you're saying is cruel and shallow.

I think PaulaB has had a hard time and I understand how they feel so the old " walk a mile in my shoes " applies here

[Mirabel]

Originally Posted by American Dane

But out of wedlock doesn't always mean a married man having children from infidelity. Prince Albert II of Monaco's children are illegitimate yet he was single and unattached when they were conceived and born. Should they not be allowed succession rights?

Obviously he didn't think so, or he could have married one of the mothers to give their child a claim.

[American Dane]

Originally Posted by Mirabel

Obviously he didn't think so, or he could have married one of the mothers to give their child a claim.

I wasn't asking it as if I thought they should, I was merely continuing the conversation and asking if the fact that it wasn't an extramarital affair made a difference...

[Nice Nofret]

For me no diffrence - Children born in legal wedlock ore "legalised" children are in line to the throne. In Germany, Austria etc. a lot of children weren't considered as possible heirs even if the parents were married because it was morganatic ... - .. so out of wedlock is not a possibility.

It has nothing to do with beeing a family; We also have a grandchild, and our son and that girl didn't marry - of course he is our grandchild and we love him, and look after him. But that's on another level - we are private people.

[wanderingnana]

Remembering all the fuss around the time of Albert's marriage and that he had to take a DNA test. have we ever heard the results of that test? Was this real or just a publicity stunt on the part of some paper or attention seeker?

[bekalc]

Originally Posted by PaulaB

As I said you get that sort of punishment if your mother is that much of a slapper. If anyone comes to me saying they are my long lost half "brother" or "sister" they are going to be told to go away and never come back.

Because the child chose her mother/father. You don't think a child in that situation suffers enough. Not to mention how do you know the entire situation. For all you know that child's mother was lied to. Not to mention certainly said child isn't entitled to anything from their stepmother or siblings, but said child certainly is entitled to something from their biological father. Their father created them has a responsibility...

For the record I think giving illegitimate children succession rights creates a can of worms, perhaps their should be some kind of loophole for the father to acknowledge a child if so wants, but it would create a HUGE ton of issues.

I also don't think adopted children should get succession rights. The reason I say this is because being King/Queen is all about birthrights/blood. Its not fair to the person who is next in line, if someone who is of no blood relation can take their spot. The basis of one's right to throne is normally based on bloodlines.

Doesn't mean adopted children shouldn't get treated the same otherwise.

[shaya]

I feel it depends on what happened. was the father marryed and had a child with someone if so then i understand the child not getting a title but the father should very much be in that child life period. however if these are two single people that are together and it just happens that they having a baby then i feel that he should still very much be in the child life in it should not be a big deal because they are both single this is 2012. but if the two pwople became marryed later on i feel yes the child should get a title.

[agogo]

Originally Posted by wanderingnana

Remembering all the fuss around the time of Albert's marriage and that he had to take a DNA test. have we ever heard the results of that test? Was this real or just a publicity stunt on the part of some paper or attention seeker?

Nothing ever came of it. Probably just a paper wanting to make a story. Very unkind considering this happened right before his wedding. By the way, Prince Rainier changed Monaco's constituion befored he passed. Only a legitimage her can inherit the Monagasque throne.