Most Annoying Royal

[Jane1]

Pretentious - Marie Chantal
Naive ingenue - Marie Cavallier
Immature- Albert of Monaco
Lacking integrity and work ethic - Camilla
Needs to drink less and close her mouth in photos - Beatrice of York
Sinister - Laurent of Belgium

[Madame Royale]

Pretentious - Marie Chantal

Socialite who got the 'title'. Agreed.

Naive ingenue - Marie Cavallier

Displays of an uncharming naivety, I would suggest. Ingenuine? Still yet to be determined, I'd have thought.

Sinister - Laurent of Belgium

I may have missed something, but I can't recall having seen any photo's of Laurent sacrificing any estate wildlife, or indeed employees, on any alter. Is 'sinister' an appropriate description of this portly prince?

[Odette]

Originally Posted by catango

You stolel my words, that is what I wanted to say, I couldn't agree more.

Personally, I think that as long as they are happy together and make good monarchs for Spain someday, it makes no difference where they met. However according to long published information on the two, Letizia dated David Tejera from 2001 -2003 and Felipe officially ended his relationship with Eva ( I believe he was truly in love with her) in 2001, although they were seen in public after the break up and he still managed to have a short lived relationship with Guyneth Paltrow in 2003. Therefore they either did not date before 2003 or they were two timing their other partners.
Furthermore, Prince Nicolaos is well educated and holds a degree from Brown University in International Relations. He is working with his father and is no more a jet setter than any other man in his station in life. He would be free to marry or not marry anytime he wishes. What do you have against Nicolaos? Prince Paul is more of a jet setter than any of his cousins or his brother. As far as working very hard at being a banker, I doubt that as much as I doubt that Marie Chantal works hard at coming up with the childrens' clothes sold at her stores.

[ladybelline]

Definitely annoying:
-Ernst August of Hanovre.
-Albert of Monaco: definitely immature, as said above. He's 50, for God's sake!
-Marie-Chantal: litterally "bought" a Prince.

Annoying at first, but not that much now:
-Mette-Marit: at her wedding, I thought she was a total miscast for a Crown Princess. Then, with time, I come to appreciate her, sort of...because Haakon and her look like deeply in love and caring for each other, she has "toned down" her attitude, and seems to be a very good mother.
-Philip, Duke of Edinburgh: he has quite a temper, and he's not very tactful. But seeing how many royal duties he still performs at 86, I'd say he's quite an example to some youngers Royals...

I also find MArie Cavallier a bit smug and with a kind of nose-in-the-air attitude quite irritating...but to be honest I had the same feelings for Mary four years ago. And look at her now...So let's wait and see. She promises to be quite interesting to watch, that's for sure.

Martha Louise seems a bit silly to me...
I have no opinion about Letizia, positive or negative. Same for Mathilde and Maxima.

[catango]

Originally Posted by Odette

Personally, I think that as long as they are happy together and make good monarchs for Spain someday, it makes no difference where they met. However according to long published information on the two, Letizia dated David Tejera from 2001 -2003 and Felipe officially ended his relationship with Eva ( I believe he was truly in love with her) in 2001, although they were seen in public after the break up and he still managed to have a short lived relationship with Guyneth Paltrow in 2003. Therefore they either did not date before 2003 or they were two timing their other partners.
Furthermore, Prince Nicolaos is well educated and holds a degree from Brown University in International Relations. He is working with his father and is no more a jet setter than any other man in his station in life. He would be free to marry or not marry anytime he wishes. What do you have against Nicolaos? Prince Paul is more of a jet setter than any of his cousins or his brother. As far as working very hard at being a banker, I doubt that as much as I doubt that Marie Chantal works hard at coming up with the childrens' clothes sold at her stores.

You know everything you said has been cleared up so many times that if you want to believe in those informations fine, It is your problem, but this is just yellow press everyone know that regarding to L and F topic.

[jcbcode99]

Originally Posted by Jane1

Pretentious - Marie Chantal
Naive ingenue - Marie Cavallier
Immature- Albert of Monaco
Lacking integrity and work ethic - Camilla
Needs to drink less and close her mouth in photos - Beatrice of York
Sinister - Laurent of Belgium

Well, Jane1, I agree that Marie Chantal is pretentious, and I agree that Beatric of York does need to drink less and find something productive to do--I agree, I get a creepy feeling about Laurent--and Albert I have no real opinion about one way or another---
BUT
I disagree with you about Camilla. I think she works quite hard for the Royal Family and I think that she is a straightforward, honest lady.

[donnaK]

Originally Posted by Odette

Personally, I think that as long as they are happy together and make good monarchs for Spain someday, it makes no difference where they met. However according to long published information on the two, Letizia dated David Tejera from 2001 -2003 and Felipe officially ended his relationship with Eva ( I believe he was truly in love with her) in 2001, although they were seen in public after the break up and he still managed to have a short lived relationship with Guyneth Paltrow in 2003. Therefore they either did not date before 2003 or they were two timing their other partners.
Furthermore, Prince Nicolaos is well educated and holds a degree from Brown University in International Relations. He is working with his father and is no more a jet setter than any other man in his station in life. He would be free to marry or not marry anytime he wishes. What do you have against Nicolaos? Prince Paul is more of a jet setter than any of his cousins or his brother. As far as working very hard at being a banker, I doubt that as much as I doubt that Marie Chantal works hard at coming up with the childrens' clothes sold at her stores.

Your timeline is not right. Felipe was rumored to be seen together with Gwyneth Paltrow in Mallorca in the summer of 2002, not 2003, that was mentioned at his 35th birthday celebration in Jan 2003. If there was a short relation, it was in 2002, not 2003, Gwyneth was dating Chris Martin in 2003. Possibly Felipe and Gwyneth were just attracting to each other, having fun together, I doubt a serious relation, can't picture Gwyneth ever wanting to be a princess. In the summor of 2003 Felipe had only attended one group dinner with Gwyneth organized by Valentino, that also had other guests including G.Paltrow's boyfriend Chris Martin, Infanta Cristina, Inaki, Kyril and Rosario. In the summer of 2003 Felipe was serisouly dating Letizia, Gwyneth was with Chris Martin, the publicity of the dinner generated actually helped to cover up his relation with Letizia since the yellow press was looking the wrong way again. At the press conference of F&L's engagement, they mentioned that they already decided to get married a while ago. The Spanish press said they already decided to get married at the end of summer. There is difference between dating and seriously dating with marriage intention. If they had been seriously dating with marriage intention for 6-7 months (Cristina and Inaki only did for 4 months) before the engagement according what Felipe said in his wedding speech , that's not a short time, plus they lived in the same city and could see each other as often as they wanted, unlike some other long distance relations.
Pavlos has a master degree in international relation from Georgetown university, one of the best international relation programs (if not the best) in the world. He was said to be a hard working student and doing well in school. Yes, he is a jet setter, so is his brother Nicolaos, don't see much difference here. I heard Nikolaos works for his father too. What is he doing exactly at his father's foundation ? On the other hand, Pavlos has a demanding fund manager job, which has always been a stressful job no matter what type of connection a person has.

[Regina]

IMO, the most annoying royals are:

- Princess Rosario Nadal - she always look annoyed, irritated. I can't imagine this royal lady being nice to anyone

- Princess Caroline's children: they all seem lazy and do nothing except to enjoy holidays and vacations. I know they study something and sometimes they visit the poor and sick once in a while, but I still don't admire them for any reason.

[Jane1]

I disagree with you about Camilla. I think she works quite hard for the Royal Family and I think that she is a straightforward, honest lady

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Well I'm sure no-one wants to rehash the Charles, Diana , Camilla love triangle but I think she did lack integrity for all those years of duplicity and hovering around his marriage.
These days we keep hearing that she finds tours tiring and hard work - the recent Caribbean for example. This makes me very sad when I think of the Queen, how hard she has worked all her life and how she has never once complained or betrayed any boredom or discomfort. Camilla is not fit to follow the Queen in any shape or form. I think.

[LadyCat]

You have to remember that we hear that she is tired and fatigued during the tours from unnamed sources in the tabloids. No doubt these are the same sources that tell the tabloids every other week that Camilla and Charles are totally unhappy with one another. These unnamed sources are usually touted as "friends" of the couple, and we all know how often their friends talk to reporters (ummm, never?).

Cat

[MARG]

Originally Posted by Jane1

.These days we keep hearing that she finds tours tiring and hard work - the recent Caribbean for example.

Can you quote a source or is this just a sort of feeling you get via the media?

Never forget, QEII has been doing this work for over 60 years. It is really the only life she knows.

I agree that Princess Caroline's children seem an aimless lot, moving around society's playgrounds without a care in the world. It is all the more irritating because they are all bright and well-educated and could actually use their position and skills to do something really well. An unforgiveable waste of talent.

CP Letizia is one of the most irritating people on the royal stage. In her previous incarnation as a TV presenter she was articulate and witty, and dressed with flair and style. As a CP she has lost so much weight she is almost skelatal, dresses like a middle-aged matron, and seems as animated as a wind up doll. Her new demure persona is as if she is totally overwhelmed by her position. Another uselss waste of talent.

Beatrice and Eugenie would be better if they both studied harder and kept their mouths shut and stayed out of the public eye until they could manage to behave in a dignified manner. They have both yet to prove they have any talent at all.

[pamk]

Originally Posted by MARG

Can you quote a source or is this just a sort of feeling you get via the media?

Never forget, QEII has been doing this work for over 60 years. It is really the only life she knows.

I agree that Princess Caroline's children seem an aimless lot, moving around society's playgrounds without a care in the world. It is all the more irritating because they are all bright and well-educated and could actually use their position and skills to do something really well. An unforgiveable waste of talent.

CP Letizia is one of the most irritating people on the royal stage. In her previous incarnation as a TV presenter she was articulate and witty, and dressed with flair and style. As a CP she has lost so much weight she is almost skelatal, dresses like a middle-aged matron, and seems as animated as a wind up doll. Her new demure persona is as if she is totally overwhelmed by her position. Another uselss waste of talent.

Beatrice and Eugenie would be better if they both studied harder and kept their mouths shut and stayed out of the public eye until they could manage to behave in a dignified manner. They have both yet to prove they have any talent at all.

I totally agree -
Beatrice with her intensions to go into fashion --- she has absolutely no fashion sense what so ever --- I mean, who would want to dress like her?

And Letizia! She should flee the royal family and regain her true self. It is like the Japanese Royal Family with Masako: bright, intelligent, career woman with a good education, fulfulling job and great future in the business world
married into a royal family and totally disappears. When she does appear, she is a vacuous shell of the former vibrant person she was. What a shame.

[CaliforniaDreamin]

[quote=Odette;763977]

Originally Posted by catango

They don't have to inspire anyone, They just have to be in love that's it, and fortunetly, they have overcome soo many obstacles before and now after their married to be happy,

Unfortunately Catango these young royals MUST be inspiring. The young princes have brought in their families girls outside royalty and imposed them to the court because they fell in love. This is very romantic but royalty lasted that long because people could dream about their fairy tales. When royalty comes to the common man's level, it loses its luster and magic. Right now every single reigning house except for Liechtenstein has a commoneer in line to reign. If these ladies do not manage to inspire no matter how many pounds of diamonds they balance on their heads they will remain common forever.

Great, great points. I wish I had thought of them myself. I don't think the CP of Belgium, Mathilde, is a commoner though. She is from one of the most ancient families in Belgium and grew up in a castle.

[Marengo]

Mathilde's family belonged to the untitled nobility. Though it is an old family indeed, a marriage with a mere jonkvrouwe would have been considered morganatic in the old days.

[CaliforniaDreamin]

Originally Posted by Marengo

Mathilde's family belonged to the untitled nobility. Though it is an old family indeed, a marriage with a mere jonkvrouwe would have been considered morganatic in the old days.

Thanks for the clarification, you are quite right. But still...compared to the other Crown Princesses I think she is the least common of the commoners in terms of blood line only.

I often wonder if his late Majesty King Baudouin would have approved of Mathilde? My hunch is that he would have been delighted-what's not to like after all? But I suppose we will never know for certain.

[Odette]

Originally Posted by Marengo

Mathilde's family belonged to the untitled nobility. Though it is an old family indeed, a marriage with a mere jonkvrouwe would have been considered morganatic in the old days.

Didn't King Albert elevate him to a Count before the wedding so that the father of the future queen would be titled? On an aside, how is his health?
Last time I was in Brussels end of April his health was supposed to be very poor.
I cannot understand though why the Belgian people do not like Phillipe and Matilde very much

[CaliforniaDreamin]

Originally Posted by Odette

Didn't King Albert elevate him to a Count before the wedding so that the father of the future queen would be titled? On an aside, how is his health?
Last time I was in Brussels end of April his health was supposed to be very poor.
I cannot understand though why the Belgian people do not like Phillipe and Matilde very much

Are you referring to Mathilde's father, Count Patrick d'Udekem(?) He came out of his coma the day of the birth of his latest grandchild Princess Eleonore, but he is still seriously ill.

I didn't know that the CP couple were unpopular, especially Mathilde. I had always read that the Belgians were delighted with her.

[Odette]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaDreamin

Are you referring to Mathilde's father, Count Patrick d'Udekem(?) He came out of his coma the day of the birth of his latest grandchild Princess Eleonore, but he is still seriously ill.

I didn't know that the CP couple were unpopular, especially Mathilde. I had always read that the Belgians were delighted with her.

I am very happy to hear about the Count's recovery and I hope he will get better.
There were some articles about both Philippe and Matilde especialy during the months of the political upheaval in Belgium when there were rumours the country would be divided and the end of the monarchy would follow. Some mags like Point De Vue were writing that Matilde's approval rating was about 4% and the biggest gripe was the fact that she cannot speak Dutch.

[Rebafan81]

I have agree with most everyone here, Prince Albert of Monoco needs to grow up and start acting his age and his responsibility. The playboy lifestyle only works when you are young and look like a play boy, which he is neither any longer.
Princess Bea, again, she really needs to get some focus in her life that is not from her mother. To me, her lifestyle is starting to show, I just saw pictures of her where she really reminded me of her mother, she has put on so much weight, she doesn't look good anymore.
Martha Louise just seems silly to me and someone who should just go off and live her life. If she wants to believe in fairies/spirits that is fine but please keep it to herself for goodness sakes.
One of my most admired is Royal is CP Haakon and Mette-Marit.

[mechtild]

Originally Posted by Odette

There were some articles about both Philippe and Matilde especialy during the months of the political upheaval in Belgium when there were rumours the country would be divided and the end of the monarchy would follow. Some mags like Point De Vue were writing that Matilde's approval rating was about 4% and the biggest gripe was the fact that she cannot speak Dutch.

It´s Filip who has an image problem. Time will tell how it works out, when he becomes king. His father wasn´t very popular too and had a hard time after Baudouin´s death, things just changed to the better in the late 90ties and now he is much appreciated. And don´t forget, Belgians just love to nag about so many things – and I sure know what I´m talking about.

The Point de Vue article is rubbish, but that was to be expected from PdV lately. And hey, Belgium is still Belgium and not divided. Mathilde scores well in polls - iirc she holds position 2 amongst the Belgian royals - with Albert in the lead - in the latest popularity poll. She also was voted as second most stylish woman in Flanders (!, yes, Flanders, she is a Flemish girl all of sudden ) while Filip and Mathilde are voted as most harmonious couple in Belgium and so on and so on. Saying she is unpopular just doesn´t describe the situation in Belgium at all, not even in Flanders. Mathilde is respected and her input is appreciated, even in the rotten Flemish boulevard press like Het Laatste Nieuws. And this she cannot speak Dutch thing, pardon me, it´s nonsense. Her Dutch has ups and downs, but over all it´s okay, she gets into troubles in emotional situations, but this also happens to her while speaking French, not so obviously but it happens... The Mathilde-mania we had in the beginning cooled down though, but this is just a healthy process if you ask me.