Most Annoying Royal

[Alice Vilghelmina]

Originally Posted by Genevieve

According to your feelings, she may like power but as Queen of Spain she will have no power in terms of how Spain as a nation is run or the policies the government develops. Furthermore, Letizia will be a Queen in title but she will not be a queen in the same sense that Victoria of Sweden will be a queen. So whether Letizia likes power or not is irrelevant as she won't have any.

All things can be changed:) , espesially a share of authority.

I don't wish the divorse L&F . I only suspected.
Anyway.... though she irritates me I respecte Letizia cause i understand how it was hard to refuse the independent life and favourite work and to choose the role of the "shadow of the husband". But how long she can remain on supporting parts......

[nokklav]

for me:

princess michael of kent....too snobbish and... u she just annoys me a real lot
princess marie chantal, and actually the whole greek royal family (sorry but it's back to the smae argument taht they are not a royal family anymore according to me...but that's just an opinion!)
princess madeline of sweden...more like a model than a princess

[monamona]

queen rania of Jordan: more of a model than a queen especially that she buys expensive clothes while she comes from a very poor country....
(yes..she is pretty and dresses super elegantly but IMO, i am not impressed by the outside look when you do not care about your country's money and not sensitive enough to your own people)..

[Genevieve]

Originally Posted by Alice Vilghelmina

All things can be changed:) , espesially a share of authority.

Of course things do change and can change. But there is no question that Letizia would ever be more powerful in status or rank than her husband. When they become King and Queen of Spain, Letizia may accompany Felipe to official functions but it will be him who has full authority, not her. Just like now when Sofia accompanies Juan Carlos to functions, it is he who has the full authority not Sofia.

Originally Posted by Alice Vilghelmina

I don't wish the divorse L&F . I only suspected.

Could've fooled me.

Originally Posted by Alice Vilghelmina

Anyway.... though she irritates me I respecte Letizia cause i understand how it was hard to refuse the independent life and favourite work and to choose the role of the "shadow of the husband". But how long she can remain on supporting parts......

Originally Posted by Alice Vilghelmina

Since they are married there will be times when she will take the lead and he will have to support her, and times when he will take the lead and she will support him.

Whoever said that she needs to be a shadow of her husband though? Though Felipe will be the one with full or more power and authority and of a higher rank than Letizia, who is to say that she cannot adopt an agenda that is distinct from Felipe's and promote different aspects of Spain? They can be equal partners in that sense and she would never have to walk in the "shadow of her husband."

As a royal Letizia would also not be the first woman to have ever walked in the "shadow of her husband," so why should Letizia be someone who would object to this role? Just because she was very independent before and had a career? Many of the other Queens and Crown Princesses were independent and had careers before their royal marriages but no one is concerned about how Silvia or Maxima might not like walking in the "shadow of her husband."

[EmpressRouge]

Originally Posted by monamona

queen rania of Jordan: more of a model than a queen especially that she buys expensive clothes while she comes from a very poor country....
(yes..she is pretty and dresses super elegantly but IMO, i am not impressed by the outside look when you do not care about your country's money and not sensitive enough to your own people)..

This is a bit ironic according what Queen Rania said about fashion icons in her profile when she made the Internation Best-Dressed List:
"I have quite a few random style icons, actually. They are the ones that know that it is not just clothing, hair, and makeup that reflect style. It's more about strength of character, disposition, demeanor, and the kndness of your hear. Those things can make you truly attractive, even enviable in people's eyes."

[nilah]

Originally Posted by monamona

queen rania of Jordan: more of a model than a queen especially that she buys expensive clothes while she comes from a very poor country....
(yes..she is pretty and dresses super elegantly but IMO, i am not impressed by the outside look when you do not care about your country's money and not sensitive enough to your own people)..

Many jealous women have no idea of the fashion industry at all and they do not know that Queen Rania or the rest queens and princesses, actresses, models, singers receive many clothes FREE .

[Sean.~]

My picks: Charles and both his sons. The former is, IMO, a self-absorbed, out-of-touch egomaniac. The elder son, IMO, is turning out to be a whinger, and the younger a spoiled rich boy, who fails to think and/ thinks he can get away with anything, and then fails to take real responsibility for his actions.

Followed by Rania and Abdullah, for a myriad of political, economical, and social reasons.

Just my opinions.

[monamona]

Originally Posted by EmpressRouge

This is a bit ironic according what Queen Rania said about fashion icons in her profile when she made the Internation Best-Dressed List:
"I have quite a few random style icons, actually. They are the ones that know that it is not just clothing, hair, and makeup that reflect style. It's more about strength of character, disposition, demeanor, and the kndness of your hear. Those things can make you truly attractive, even enviable in people's eyes."

Not surprised that she talks like this...As a smart person, she is using this twisted argument (jealousy and all the bla bla ) to hide her spending habit and masks the real issues...anyway, it is obvious that rania dresses nicely...but how she is getting these dresses and living extravangantly in the light of where she is coming from is what makes her an annoying royal for me...

[carlota]

Originally Posted by Alexandria

I do not believe your assessment of the three (specifically) named royal ladies to be true, and in fact, quite inaccurate.



Maxima actually comes from a wealthy, upper class Argentinian family. Her family was by no means middle class or struggling.

Mary and Letizia both came from middle class families, yes, but that doesn't mean either of their families were struggling financially. Neither the Donaldson family nor the Roscalano (sp) family were living pay cheque to pay cheque.

And so what if they did come from middle class families? Just because one is born into a middle or working class familiy doesn't mean that one doesn't have the ability to improve one's lot in life through hard work? Many, many successful people in the world today come from middle class families or humble beginnings but are making millions today or are world leaders in business and finance.

Secondly, the men these three women married risked a tremendous amount to marry them. They also jeopardized the popularity of their respective royal families to marry these women -- and for men who were raised with the utmost sense of duty and responsibility to the crown, I don't think they would make such choices lightly, and if not for absolute love.



Where is your proof that she wasn't an executive? Secondly, a title doesn't mean anything. As someone who works with words, I can asure you that you can give craft people all sorts of long-winded titles but that doesn't change what they do, how much they do, or how powerful they are. I think you're better off to look at the kind of work Maxima did and how much responsibility she was entrusted with, within her company. And considering that she travelled extensively and worked at higher levels at several banks, I think it is possible to say that Maxima was not a mere bank teller.



Letizia was not just a news reader, but a journalist. And news readers and journalists get paid a fair amount. In American media circles there is frequently buzz about how much several female news personalities get paid. Diane Sawyer, Barbara Walters and Katie Couric all have deals with their respective networks for millions of dollars per year plus perks. Even in Spain I would say that $5-$10 million is quite a lot of money. Certainly more than Letizia is compensated for her royal duties -- and with much less scrutiny and a less rigorous work schedule then she keeps up as the Princess of Asturias.



I am not very familiar with Mary's resume, but from I do recall, she held jobs at some pretty big companies in Australia, and ultimately at the Microsoft branch in Denmark. These places would not have hired her and willingly paid her a salary for however long a time if she didn't do something that contributed to the company's bottom line. As for her position at Microsoft, even if she did get that job, as rumours at the time went, because the Danish royal family was connected to the company, I still do not believe that they would've kept Mary on if she didn't do anything. Regardless of personal relationships to the Danish royals, CEO's are most concerned about their profit and their quarterly and gross earnings. No one would've kept Mary around just becauase she was Frederik's girlfriend if she didn't do anything.



Letizia in particular is the last person I would describe as a "party girl." I have never heard of these words to describe her. In fact it's always the opposite, that she was dedicated, ambitious and driven by her work, and that she worked too hard.

In Mary's case, I believe that the man she lived with for several years was not loaded, but an average, working class man, so she was hardly living the good life when she was with him.

i don't follow mary really closely, but i know for sure that what australis was saying about maxima and letizia isn't true at all.
about maxima: she came from a wealthy south american family and wasn't struggling at all before being princess. as alexandria said, her travelling experiences and the fact that she worked in an upper job in an international bank may tell so. not struggling, not just a bank teller.
about letizia: she was from a middle class family, and she wasn't struggling. she was a middle class girl and as such she worked hard to live, and that's all. specially when she joined tve i guess she was earning quite a good money there, although it was just months before the announcement of marriage to felipe. also, as alexandria said again, she wasn't that party goer, just in her early ages when she was doing her degree and when she was in mexico, but she was much dedicated to her work as well.

According to your feelings, she may like power but as Queen of Spain she will have no power in terms of how Spain as a nation is run or the policies the government develops. Furthermore, Letizia will be a Queen in title but she will not be a queen in the same sense that Victoria of Sweden will be a queen. So whether Letizia likes power or not is irrelevant as she won't have any.

well... she will obviously have more power than the rest of the spaniards

(or than she would have had in her previous position as anchorwoman)

[Alice Vilghelmina]

Originally Posted by nilah

Many jealous women have no idea of the fashion industry at all and they do not know that Queen Rania or the rest queens and princesses, actresses, models, singers receive many clothes FREE .

I dunno about others but Windsors don't receive clothes free They could, but...f.e. Prince Charles said that he had enough money to pay for his wife (about Camilla).
As I know Diana had the discount but not free-clothes.
Often Diana took clothes and tried on it at home. Once time she took wrong size. She could't return the gown and change it, cause she lost the check.

[EmpressRouge]

Originally Posted by Alice Vilghelmina

I dunno about others but Windsors don't receive clothes free They could, but...f.e. Prince Charles said that he had enough money to pay for his wife (about Camilla).
As I know Diana had the discount but not free-clothes.
Often Diana took clothes and tried on it at home. Once time she took wrong size. She could't return the gown and change it, cause she lost the check.

I think royals may be able to "borrow" certain outfits, but I don't think they can accept them as free gifts. Most countries have strict rules that royals are not allowed to capitalize on their status (remember the infamous incident involving the Countess of Wessex's PR firm and the "Arab shiek"), and accepting free clothes would be "reward" for using their fame to advertise for the designer. Nancy Reagan (wasn't royalty but still the wife of a head of state) was heavily criticized in the 80s for accepting free designer couture. Now movie stars and I guess non-ruling royalty can accept all the free clothes they want becz they are private citizens and not public gov't/state figures.

[sara1981]

Originally Posted by Alice Vilghelmina

I dunno about others but Windsors don't receive clothes free They could, but...f.e. Prince Charles said that he had enough money to pay for his wife (about Camilla).
As I know Diana had the discount but not free-clothes.
Often Diana took clothes and tried on it at home. Once time she took wrong size. She could't return the gown and change it, cause she lost the check.

I would hardly agree with you!

but Prince Charles had more enough busniess suits for engagements i dont think he would paid clothes for his late former wife Princess Diana no!

but Princess Diana did chose any designer since she got engagement/marriages to Prince Charles in 1981 but she had more famous outfits for 15 years! but i know Diana worn good clothes but she not had ugly outfits no! they later Diana chose her favourite designer Catherine Walker to make her outfits since 1990's i think so! but Diana had different designer include her friend/designer Gianni Versance and lots of more!

i dont think Camilla had more clothes since her marriages to Prince Charles this years! but i like her outfits looks nices but i like Diana more best than Camilla!

Sara Boyce

[Alice Vilghelmina]

Originally Posted by Genevieve

. When they become King and Queen of Spain, Letizia may accompany Felipe to official functions but it will be him who has full authority, not her. Just like now when Sofia accompanies Juan Carlos to functions, it is he who has the full authority not Sofia.

The Bourbouns couldn't imagine the loss of the power at 20s. but....
Nobody could believe, that Elisabet&goverment could allow Charles to marry on Camilla. Bit he did it.

[Alice Vilghelmina]

Originally Posted by sara1981

i dont think Camilla had more clothes since her marriages to Prince Charles this years! but i like her outfits looks nices but i like Diana more best than Camilla!

Sara Boyce

The problem was that some designers tried to use their connection with Diana in their own sake. (don't remember names.....there were wife&husband)

Don't think that the nice Camilla's clothes, whish she carries last months, is kept in her wardrobe long time. There are new outfits. Her style has changed last time.
Anyway we can look it on the site of British Monarchy. Charles includes her costs in his own account, which can be viewed by everyone on that site. ( btw he includes her long before the wedding:) )

[EmpressRouge]

Originally Posted by Alice Vilghelmina

The problem was that some designers tried to use their connection with Diana in their own sake. (don't remember names.....there were wife&husband)

Are you referring to David and Elizabeth Emmanuel? The Emmanels designed Diana's low-cut black engagement dress and other gowns she wore early in her marriage. They are most famous for designing Diana's wedding gown, which they did for free, just for the publicity.

[Alice Vilghelmina]

Originally Posted by EmpressRouge

Are you referring to David and Elizabeth Emmanuel? The Emmanels designed Diana's low-cut black engagement dress and other gowns she wore early in her marriage. They are most famous for designing Diana's wedding gown, which they did for free, just for the publicity.

Yes!!! I remember "Emmanuel", bit I wasn't sure is it the first name or the surname
Some time after Diana's wedding they began to use thier connection with princess and Diana decided to break off any cooperation, but then she reduced relations.

[EmpressRouge]

Originally Posted by Alice Vilghelmina

Yes!!! I remember "Emmanuel", bit I wasn't sure is it the first name or the surname
Some time after Diana's wedding they began to use thier connection with princess and Diana decided to break off any cooperation, but then she reduced relations.

Oh, forgot to add: The Emmanuels have divorced and separated their business since.