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Old 04-20-2017, 02:10 AM
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Emergence and Origin of Nobility & Aristocracy

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I am very interested to know how did Nobility and Aristocracy emerge as I've heard it was based on the occupation/talent.
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Old 04-20-2017, 02:27 AM
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Definitely not in Europe.

The modern concept of nobility has nothing to do with occupation or talent. It mainly had to do with land. It dates back to the time of fiefs. The people who owned the fiefs were literally land lords. The larger the fief, more money, the higher rank. You might be over lord to smaller fiefs. As time went on, lordships which back then came with land and money, were granted by the sovereigns. Political power, military strength and wealth helped raise you through the ranks. Some commoners may indeed enter the nobility based on their occupation, but very rare. Such as a kings minister or a military leader. As estates were inherited by children, these titles became hereditary. There were many wealthy people at court with title who would hope to gain one through service, or funding the king in some way, or marrying a child into it.

The ancient concept came from the early days of democracy and republic in Italy and Greece. Those who were elected to consuls and senators were considered a level above the common folk. They basically became aristocratic rank. When democracy failed, the concept of an aristocratic rank of society remained.
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Old 04-20-2017, 03:22 AM
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Thanks for the Information Countessmeout !.

Are there any families who entered Nobility through occupation and talent?
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Old 04-24-2017, 11:29 PM
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occupation?

If you were something like a baker or blacksmith your chances were basically zero.

You had to have one of two things to earn your lordship. You either had to have money or some small skill that landed you at court. And even then you had to find a powerful patron who may help you climb the ladder.

Thomas Cromwell was a perfect example. Thomas was the son of a blacksmith. By the time got executed he was and Earl and one of the most powerful men at court. His son had the baronecy restored to him. Thomas went to the continent as a mercenary and eventually ended up working in Italy under a florentine banker. As a lawyer and politician back home he managed to rise up.

Charles Brandon was the son of a minor lord. He ended up at court due to his father being standard bearer to Henry vii and being killed while protecting the king. Charles due to his friendship with Henry, and his own military skills, received many positions at court. He was viscount Lisle by marriage and later Duke in his own right. He lost viscount when he married Mary.

I am a Tudor buff if you haven't noticed.
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Some families did arise from being bigwigs in their locality, buying land as the Spencers of Northamptonshire did through prospering at sheep rearing, then through the dowries of their brides buying more land and property, gaining a knighthood and climbing the greasy pole that way.
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