The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Join The Royal Forums Today
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 04-20-2017, 02:10 AM
Shikha Pal's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Hyderabad, India
Posts: 801
Emergence and Origin of Nobility & Aristocracy


I am very interested to know how did Nobility and Aristocracy emerge as I've heard it was based on the occupation/talent.

Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2017, 02:27 AM
Countessmeout's Avatar
Heir Apparent
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: alberta, Canada
Posts: 4,824
Definitely not in Europe.

The modern concept of nobility has nothing to do with occupation or talent. It mainly had to do with land. It dates back to the time of fiefs. The people who owned the fiefs were literally land lords. The larger the fief, more money, the higher rank. You might be over lord to smaller fiefs. As time went on, lordships which back then came with land and money, were granted by the sovereigns. Political power, military strength and wealth helped raise you through the ranks. Some commoners may indeed enter the nobility based on their occupation, but very rare. Such as a kings minister or a military leader. As estates were inherited by children, these titles became hereditary. There were many wealthy people at court with title who would hope to gain one through service, or funding the king in some way, or marrying a child into it.

The ancient concept came from the early days of democracy and republic in Italy and Greece. Those who were elected to consuls and senators were considered a level above the common folk. They basically became aristocratic rank. When democracy failed, the concept of an aristocratic rank of society remained.

Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2017, 03:22 AM
Shikha Pal's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Hyderabad, India
Posts: 801
Thanks for the Information Countessmeout !.

Are there any families who entered Nobility through occupation and talent?
Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2017, 11:29 PM
Countessmeout's Avatar
Heir Apparent
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: alberta, Canada
Posts: 4,824

If you were something like a baker or blacksmith your chances were basically zero.

You had to have one of two things to earn your lordship. You either had to have money or some small skill that landed you at court. And even then you had to find a powerful patron who may help you climb the ladder.

Thomas Cromwell was a perfect example. Thomas was the son of a blacksmith. By the time got executed he was and Earl and one of the most powerful men at court. His son had the baronecy restored to him. Thomas went to the continent as a mercenary and eventually ended up working in Italy under a florentine banker. As a lawyer and politician back home he managed to rise up.

Charles Brandon was the son of a minor lord. He ended up at court due to his father being standard bearer to Henry vii and being killed while protecting the king. Charles due to his friendship with Henry, and his own military skills, received many positions at court. He was viscount Lisle by marriage and later Duke in his own right. He lost viscount when he married Mary.

I am a Tudor buff if you haven't noticed.
Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2017, 12:42 AM
Heir Apparent
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 3,725
Some families did arise from being bigwigs in their locality, buying land as the Spencers of Northamptonshire did through prospering at sheep rearing, then through the dowries of their brides buying more land and property, gaining a knighthood and climbing the greasy pole that way.
Reply With Quote

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Origin Of Royal Names hillary_nugent Royalty Past, Present, and Future 212 Today 05:43 PM
Should a Royal wear cloths from their RFs country of origin? WreathOfLaurels Royal Style File 20 07-20-2016 02:26 AM
Titles Of Nobility And Aristocracy PrincessKaimi Royal Ceremony and Protocol 42 02-22-2016 06:06 PM

Popular Tags
albania ascot 2016 best gown best gown september 2016 best hat best outfit best summer outfit 2016 birthday coup d'etat crown princess mary crown princess mary fashion crown princess victoria denmark duchess of cambridge duke of cambridge fashion fashion poll feminism jewels king abdullah ii king carl gustaf and queen silvia king philippe king willem-alexander member introduction monarchy myth new zealand norway november 2016 october 2016 opening of parliament paris picture of the week poland state visit to norway prince charles princess charlene hats princess marie princess marie fashion princess mary princess mary casual style princess mary daytime fashion princess mary fashion princess mary hats princess sofia princess victorias daytime fashion queen letizia queen letizia casual outfits queen letizia daytime fashion queen letizia fashion queen margrethe queen mathilde queen maxima queen maxima casual wear queen maxima daytime fashion queen maxima fashion queen maxima hats queen maxima style queen rania queen rania fashion queen silvia september 2016 state visit succession sweden the duchess of cambridge the duchess of cambridge casual wear the duchess of cambridge daytime fashion the duchess of cambridge fashion the duchess of cambridge hats tiara

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities

Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:27 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2017
Jelsoft Enterprises