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Old 04-13-2018, 05:20 PM
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8 Monarchies That No Longer Exist

8 Monarchies That No Longer Exist
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Blog Real, Thank you for the excellent video! The details were explained very precisely for each monarchy.
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Wish Russia, France and Italy would have a monarchy.
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Wish Russia, France and Italy would have a monarchy.
Why? The people of France, Russia and Italy do not want monarchies....
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Of all the former European monarchies, the ones I truly miss are the Kingdom of France and the Kingdom of Portugal, given how old they were ( established respectively in 987 and 1139) . I also miss the Holy Roman Empire (which disappeared in 1806), but I don’t care for the 19th century German and Austro-Hungarian Empires.
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The French monarchy was a particularly disastrous one.. IMO, pretty much all of the Royal and Imperial families were not good for the country... and I don't believe it will ever be restored...
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The French monarchy was a particularly disastrous one.. IMO, pretty much all of the Royal and Imperial families were not good for the country... and I don't believe it will ever be restored...
It depends on your POV. The Kingdom of France was for centuries one of the major European powers, in a way that the Republic probably never was. It also established an early colonial empire (in North America, India and the Caribbean) and was a great patron of architecture, and the arts and sciences. The French kings were relatively weak ( vis a vis the regional nobility for example) until the end of the 16th century at least and, even in the age of absolutism, they were no worse in their handling of foreign and domestic affairs than the kings of other European countries where the monarchy survived like Spain for example.

I agree that, compared to the success of the British monarchy in the 18th and 19th centuries ( the loss of the United States notwithstanding) , the French monarchy may now look “disastrous”, but, in context, it was hardly seen that way at the time. The fall of the monarchy was a consequence of its slow reaction to adapt / evolve coupled with unfortunate circumstances. I believe for example that the monarchy could have survived e.g. in 1792 and, later, after the fall of the Second Napoleonic Empire, if the Bourbons had been more flexible.
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the monarchy could have survived e.g. in 1792
Louis XVl after 1790 was a 'constitutional monarch', and accepted it, only when his wife and children were threatened with violence by the Paris 'canaille' who [in no way] represented the average French citizen, did his attitude change. The 'final straw' was the 'Civil Constitution of the Clergy', which demanded all prelates take an oath of loyalty to the French Government, [rather than the Pope]. As a 'good Catholic' this was a 'red line', and one he could not put his signature to..
He was not the author of his ultimate dissatisfaction with the course of the Revolution.. The National Assembly has that dubious 'honour'..
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