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Old 03-23-2015, 06:25 PM
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In Australia, for instance, The Queen has NO say. She is totally irrelevant to our government and way of life and so when the question is put to the Australian people again, which it will be, she won't be able to interfere. The British government no longer makes laws that apply in Australia either.


In the Crown Dependencies that isn't the case but in the independent realms it is.
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Old 03-26-2015, 05:47 PM
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From the British Monarchist Foundation.

The Times reports both major parties in Bajan politics are in favour of the change. However, the change is not likely to pass without controversy, as her Majesty remains popular among many of the island’s quarter of a million people. The Queen’s recent Diamond jubilee was enthusiastically celebrated on the island.

Executive director of the London-based Commonwealth Exchange think-tank Tim Hewish commented: “The Queen’s wish is that such decisions are taken on the express will of the people, so it will be interesting to see whether this goes to referendum, as it did in Australia in 1999, rather than being pushed through by parliament."
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:10 PM
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The Queen has made Prince Charles and Princess Anne 'Commodores-in-Chief' of the Royal Canadian Navy, the Canadian Government says.
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Old 08-20-2015, 03:33 PM
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CHOGM Malta 2015 ‏@chogm2015mt 10h10 hours ago
#TBT: Did you know HM Queen Elizabeth II was not the 1st Head of Commonwealth? Photo taken at Buckingham Palace, 1949
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Old 08-20-2015, 04:48 PM
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In Australia, for instance, The Queen has NO say. She is totally irrelevant to our government and way of life and so when the question is put to the Australian people again, which it will be, she won't be able to interfere. The British government no longer makes laws that apply in Australia either.
I doubt the question will be put to the Australian people again while the present queen is still alive, but the issue may be raised again when Charles becomes king.

Of course, if the question is put again, the issue is not just to dump the king, but whom Australia would replace him with. As I understand it, one of the reasons why republicans lost the 1999 referendum was that many voters were not satisfied with an indirectly elected president as proposed in the republican constitutional amendment. On the other hand, Australian politicians disliked the idea of a president elected by popular vote, as they feared a French-like scenario where a partisan president with a popular mandate of his/her own could clash with a prime minister and cabinet of a different party that held a majority in the House of Representatives. That, of course, would radically change the way Australia has been governed since 1901, violating the "minimalist" approach to bring about a republic with minimal change to the Australian constitution.

As far as I can tell, Australian republicans haven't sorted out that fundamental contradiction yet.
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Old 08-20-2015, 04:58 PM
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I doubt the question will be put to the Australian people again while the present queen is still alive, but the issue may be raised again when Charles becomes king.

Of course, if the question is put again, the issue is not just to dump the king, but whom Australia would replace him with. As I understand it, one of the reasons why republicans lost the 1999 referendum was that many voters were not satisfied with an indirectly elected president as proposed in the republican constitutional amendment. On the other hand, Australian politicians disliked the idea of a president elected by popular vote, as they feared a French-like scenario where a partisan president with a popular mandate of his/her own could clash with a prime minister and cabinet of a different party that held a majority in the House of Representatives. That, of course, would radically change the way Australia has been governed since 1901, violating the "minmalist" approach to bring about a republic with minimal change to the Australian constitution.

As far as I can tell, Australian republicans haven't sorted out that fundamental contradiction yet.
I think most Australians still prefer the monarchy. It would be difficult for Australia to stop being a monarchy, at least while the Queen is alive should not come back to talk about it. After sure whether to speak again, but I hope that the monarchy continues in Australia.
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I don't understand your point?
In your original message, you wrote that, if any of the Commonwealth realms wanted a referendum on the monarchy, they should "be allowed one". My point was that the Commonwealth realms are independent countries that can call a referendum whenever they wish, provided that they follow the proper procedure laid down in their respective constitutions. They don't need the permission of the Queen as HoS , or of the UK Parliament to do it.
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Good to see that Jamaica has received some grants from the Queen's Diamond Jubilee Fund.

Queen Diamond Jubilee fund gives £2m to Jamaica - News - JamaicaObserver.com
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British High Commissioner to Malta Rob Luke calls on Commonwealth countries to use CHOGM to tackle youth radicalisation, reach a common agreement on climate change

Queen Elizabeth II’s presence at the upcoming Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting will grant the summit “an extra impetus”, the British High Commissioner to Malta said.

“The Queen is a figure around whom all 53 Commonwealth countries can congregate, and her presence at the CHOGM will prove the Commonwealth’s relevance,” Rob Luke said on Monday’s edition of Reporter. “Her presence will hopefully increase the chances of the CHOGM resulting in outcomes that will improve people’s lives.”

Luke sounded an upbeat tone on the Commonwealth’s relevance, insisting that the organisation can have a “real impact” on global issues such as climate change.
Read more: Queen’s presence at CHOGM ‘proves Commonwealth’s relevance’ - MaltaToday.com.mt
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Old 11-25-2015, 03:50 AM
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Well, the meeting I've been waiting to happen is a few hrs away as HM meets her new Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau. As I said in the Queen and Canada thread, this is such a Full Circle Moment, as the last time Justin met HM, he was just a lil guy (who more than likely was also threatened w/in an inch of his life to be on his best behaviour too ) and now he's her Canadian Prime Minister. :)

A Full Circle Moment indeed. :)


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Old 12-15-2015, 12:24 AM
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Barbados to Remove Queen Elizabeth II as Titular Head of State-

"Prime Minister Freundel Stuart announced that the plan is to make Barbados a republic by November, 2016, when the island of roughly 300,000 people celebrates its 50th anniversary of independence. He said it makes no sense to keep the monarch as the head of state of an otherwise independent country.

“It’s a little awkward in the year 2015 to still have to stand up and instead of pledging allegiance to Barbados to be pledging allegiance to ‘Her Majesty the Queen,’ ” Stuart said during a recent meeting of his ruling Democratic Labour Party.

A Buckingham Palace spokesman said Monday that “it is a matter for the government and people of Barbados.” British Prime Minister David Cameron’s spokesman said he expected the approach in Barbados to be “consistent with self-determination.”

Barbados to Remove Queen Elizabeth II as Titular Head of State | Caribbean News Service
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Barbados to Remove Queen Elizabeth II as Titular Head of State-

"Prime Minister Freundel Stuart announced that the plan is to make Barbados a republic by November, 2016, when the island of roughly 300,000 people celebrates its 50th anniversary of independence. He said it makes no sense to keep the monarch as the head of state of an otherwise independent country.

“It’s a little awkward in the year 2015 to still have to stand up and instead of pledging allegiance to Barbados to be pledging allegiance to ‘Her Majesty the Queen,’ ” Stuart said during a recent meeting of his ruling Democratic Labour Party.

A Buckingham Palace spokesman said Monday that “it is a matter for the government and people of Barbados.” British Prime Minister David Cameron’s spokesman said he expected the approach in Barbados to be “consistent with self-determination.”

Barbados to Remove Queen Elizabeth II as Titular Head of State | Caribbean News Service
Does anybody know the requirements to amend the constitution in Barbados ? Can the monarchy be abolished without a popular referendum ? The fact that the ruling party wants to ditch the Queen doesn't mean it is going to happen if the constitutional bar is too high (see the case of Australia in 1999), but I have no knowledge of Barbados law, so that is why I am asking.
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:18 PM
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Does anybody know the requirements to amend the constitution in Barbados ? Can the monarchy be abolished without a popular referendum ? The fact that the ruling party wants to ditch the Queen doesn't mean it is going to happen if the constitutional bar is too high (see the case of Australia in 1999), but I have no knowledge of Barbados law, so that is why I am asking.
Its explained in the article
"Barbados needs a two-thirds majority in Parliament to authorise the constitutional change"

more detail in the article (2nd half)
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:27 PM
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I don't think it can be done without a Referendum - there was going be a referendum on the matter back in 2005 I think, but it didn't go ahead.
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:22 PM
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It doesn't sound very democratic to abolish the Monarchy without a referendum. Maybe the republican politicians are afraid the population doesn't share their views on the Monarchy.
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When I first read the article, i was a bit taken aback, because my first thought was that there must be some kind of referedum or vote! I mean, it can't be done so just like this!
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It doesn't sound very democratic to abolish the Monarchy without a referendum. Maybe the republican politicians are afraid the population doesn't share their views on the Monarchy.
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When I first read the article, i was a bit taken aback, because my first thought was that there must be some kind of referedum or vote! I mean, it can't be done so just like this!
I agree with both of you. I am a strong constitutional monarchist and a strong believer in democracy so I think it is the people of Barbados who should decide this through a referendum and not the government/parliament, but I must admit that I find it odd that a country shall have a foreigner as head of state.

In modern democracies such as Canada, Australia and New zealand it will be held referendums (if the politicians agrees about it), but that is not the case with the Caribbean countries who are full of corrupt politicians.
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It doesn't sound very democratic to abolish the Monarchy without a referendum. Maybe the republican politicians are afraid the population doesn't share their views on the Monarchy.
I agree with Cris M. It may be theoretically possible to abolish the monarchy in Barbados with a two-third majority in parliament, but a decision as serious as that should not be taken without consulting the people first. If the PM doesn't call a referendum, Barbados monarchists should demand one,
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My country became a Republic without a referendum. It was coup d'état. Everyone know the mess Brazil is today, so I hope Barbados can have a different destiny.

If Barbados becomes a Republic without a referendum, I'll see the Prime Minister as dictator. And I suppose he hopes to become the first President.
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I get the feeling that it's generally accepted that a republic is what the Barbadians want.

In 1994 the Barbados Labour Party made it clear that a republic was one of their aims. They won the election and in 1996 they had a Constitution Review Commission which after 2 years recommended the formation of a republic. A referendum bill was introduced in 2000, but dropped during the 2003 election. It was then reintroduced in 2005, with a plan for a 2008 referendum, but that got dropped (the government focused instead on CARICOM). I feel that it should be added that during all this time the same party was in power, being re-elected twice; and one of the main issues in the 2003 election was abolishing the monarchy.

The BLP lost the 2008 election, bringing in the Democratic Labour Party. It's this party that is currently in power (and had been since 2008, with a 2013 re-election) and is pushing the issue again. So basically the two major parties in Barbados support a republic.

I don't think it's a coup or un-democratic. Perhaps not the best way to do it, but if the issue has been on the table for more than 20 years and has consistently been sidelined by other issues I can understand the desire to skip what would be a costly and time consuming referendum that ultimately wouldn't actually do anything as the change would have to be issued on a vote in the House of Assembly in the end anyways.

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In modern democracies such as Canada, Australia and New zealand it will be held referendums (if the politicians agrees about it ), but that is not the case with the Caribbean countries who are full of corrupt politicians.

Given the difficulty with changing the constitution in Canada and the fact that the provincial and federal governments seem to never all be on the same page, I wouldn't expect a Canadian Republic any time soon. Too much hassle without enough support.
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