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Old 07-27-2015, 03:42 PM
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It would be nearly impossible to do so legally.

The monarchy is a constitutional issue and has a distinct legal persona in each of the provinces and the federal government. In order to remove it the House of Commons, the Senate, and the legislative assembly of all 10 provinces have to consent.

This poses 3 major challenges to republicanism.

First of all, the House of Commons would have to be in agreement to abolish the monarchy. The Conservative party, under Harper, is pro-monarchy, and the Liberals' most recent party vote on the issue came in favour of the monarchy (or at least against abolishing it). If the NDP were to try to abolish the monarchy they would need support from the other parties, as they aren't likely to gain a majority. The only party that openly supports a republic is the Bloc Québécois, and allying with them will alienate the NDP.

Secondly, the Senate has to approve. Right now, the Senate has a Conservative majority, therefore isn't likely to support republicanism. There are 22 seats not filled, so theoretically the tide could be changed if the Independents were swayed to republicanism, however given Mulcair's strong anti-senate stance he'd lose some political clout if he filled those seats.
I believe that is not exactly correct. A constitutional amendment to abolish the monarchy in Canada would fall under Section 41 of the Constitution Act, 1982 (quoted below), which, as you said, requires the approval of the House of Commons, the Senate, and the Legislative Assemblies of all 10 provinces.
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Section 41 [Highly Qualified Proceedings]

An amendment to the Constitution of Canada in relation to the following matters may be made by proclamation issued by the Governor General under the Great Seal of Canada only where authorized by resolutions of the Senate and House of Commons and of the legislative assemblies of each province:
(a) the office of the Queen, the Governor General, and the Lieutenant Governor of a province;

(b) the right of a province to a number of members in the House of Commons not less than the number of Senators by which the province is entitled to be represented at the time this part comes into force;
(c) subject to Section 43, the use of the English or the French language;
(d) the composition of the Supreme Court of Canada; and
(e) an amendment to this part
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However, Section 47 of the same Constitution Act, 1982 (also quoted below) includes an exception under which a constitutional amendment may be made under Section 41 above (and a few other sections) if the Senate fails to approve it within 180 days (not counting days when Parliament is prorogued or dissolved), and the House of Commons subsequently passes it a second time. In other words, the Senate could only delay the abolition of the monarchy, but it could not prevent it indefinitely provided that the House of Commons and the Legislative Assemblies of the provinces agree to turn Canada into a republic.

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Section 47 [Default Adoption]

(1) An amendment to the Constitution of Canada made by proclamation under Sections 38, 41, 42, and 43 may be made without a resolution of the Senate authorizing the issue of the proclamation if, within one hundred and eighty days after the adoption by the House of Commons of a resolution authorizing its issue, the Senate has not adopted such a resolution and if, at any time after the expiration of that period, the House of Commons again adopts the resolution.
(2) Any period when Parliament is prorogued or dissolved shall not be counted in computing the one hundred and eighty day period referred to in Subsection (1).


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Old 07-29-2015, 09:50 PM
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Some very cute stories in the Toronto Star about informal interactions between Canadian Governors General and Canadian PM's and the Queen and other members of the royal family.

http://t.thestar.com/#/article/news/...your_boss.html
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Some very cute stories in the Toronto Star about informal interactions between Canadian Governors General and Canadian PM's and the Queen and other members of the royal family.



http://t.thestar.com/#/article/news/...your_boss.html

What a lovely read!! Thanks for the link. Prince Phillip telling Michaelle Jean's then little girl it would be their little secret just between them that he offered her a Coke, after telling him she wasn't allowed to have that at home, is just such a Grandpa thing to do. . I also loved Maureen McTeer's story about the advice The Queen Mum gave her just after Joe Clark made it into big time National Politics, not to mention Her Majesty was the only one there who, as she getting into her car to leave, called her Ms. McTeer.

I'm just old enough to remember the fuss that created, for the wife of a Political Leader to want to be known and addressed by her Maiden Name, and how wonderful a feeling it must have given Ms McTeer at the time for the Queen Mum to have done that for her. I think these two stories are my favourites. Although...After reading about what Jean Chretien said when it was his turn as Minister of Justice to sign The Constitution, my wondering about why Her Majesty looks so gleefully happy in those photos all these years has at last been answered...ROTFLOL!!!


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Prime Minister Harper was this morning received by the Governor General, who agreed to dissolve Parliament.
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Since 1534, when the King of France claimed possession of what is now Canada, the history of our country has been marked by the reigns of an uninterrupted succession of monarchs, both French and British, who have had a significant influence on our country's development.

Under the Crown, Canada developed first as a colony of two empires, originally the French and subsequently the British, then as an independent dominion, and now as an entirely sovereign nation. The Crown occupies a central place in our Parliament and our democracy, founded on the rule of law and respect for rights and freedoms; the Crown embodies the continuity of the state and is the underlying principle of its institutional unity. The Crown heads all three branches of government: the Executive, where the Prime Minister is the principal advisor; the Legislative, which recognizes the Crown as one of three constituents of Parliament, acting with the consent of the Senate and the House of Commons; and the Judiciary, since all decisions made by the courts are given in the name of the Queen.

The most important characteristic of Canada's constitutional monarchy has been its ability to adapt to changing conditions over the course of our evolution from colony to nation. In the Senate foyer and the Salon de la Francophonie, hang the portraits of the kings and queens in whose names our laws have been, and continue to be, enacted.
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A fascinating way of looking at it:
Kelly Mathews ‏@allthingsregal Sep 9 Queen Elizabeth II has reigned for 42% of Canada's existence as a self-governing Dominion 63 of 148yrs (150yrs in 2017) #longestreign
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Old 09-18-2015, 07:34 AM
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On our news this AM. It's the queen that buys Consul residences!
On our news they said the Queen was moving to Chicago. But no, it's for the Consul. Nice location! Next to Millenium Park if any of you have been to the area.
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Governor General of Canada, will preside over Order of Canada investiture at Rideau Hall, Wed, Sept 23, 2015, 10:30am
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Her Most Excellent Majesty Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, is Sovereign of the Order
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Old 09-28-2015, 01:36 PM
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Attached the NDP reply:
https://twitter.com/monarchist/statu...344?lang=en-gb

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Attached the Liberal reply:
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the Green reply:
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The Monarchist League asked the four federalist parties for their views on the Canadian Monarchy.
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I wonder why nobody has commented on the results of yesterday's federal election in Canada.

What is Justin Trudeau's position on the monarchy ? I suspect he's not a strong monarchist like Stephen Harper, but the Liberal Party seems to support the continuation of the monarchy, doesn't it ?

I am also glad that the Liberals won an outright majority and won't have to form a coalition government with the NDP, which I believe has republican leanings.
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Old 10-20-2015, 11:37 AM
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I wonder why nobody has commented on the results of yesterday's federal election in Canada.

What is Justin Trudeau's position on the monarchy ? I suspect he's not a strong monarchist like Stephen Harper, but the Liberal Party seems to support the continuation of the monarchy, doesn't it ?

I am also glad that the Liberals won an outright majority and won't have to form a coalition government with the NDP, which I believe has republican leanings.

The Conservatives, Greens, Liberals, and NDP all are officially in favour of retaining the Crown. Neither Trudeau nor Mulcair have spoken as strongly in favour of the Crown with their stance more being one of "the party isn't interested in re-opening this issue".

I believe the only party to officially come out against the monarchy is the Bloc Québécois.
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Well, this is it!! Officially, Stephen Harper is no longer Prime Minister of Canada & Thank God for that!! I do not envy the still ATM Prime Minister Designate Justin Trudeau's job, as he's got a heck of a mess to try & either fix or cope w/, but....

HARPER IS GONE!!!

Sorry, but had to get that out. . I'm assuming there will be some sort of a message from Her Majesty that will be given after the Ceremony to both Swear In him and the New Cabinet is over and done w/? Same w/a Press Release Statement congratulating him on becoming Prime Minister? I say assuming because I just do not remember if that's happened in the past or not.

One thing I am looking forward to w/a certain amount of glee though?

His first meeting w/The Queen as Prime Minister. I mean...Justin was just a little one, who more than likely was also threatened w/in an inch of his life to be on his best behaviour at the time too, the last time they met each other face to face. Now he's all grown up and soon to be our Prime Minister...It's going to be a full circle moment in so many ways. I know we won't get any video of the actual meeting between them, but that picture? That is going to be such a special picture.

Can't wait to see it!!


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Yes HE is gone. It is a beautiful day on the east coast, the sun is shining and our new PM is getting sworn in before noon. Life is good.
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I've just seen Prime Minister Justin Trudeau swear allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors live on the CBC news website. This was a beautiful ceremony who is still going on.
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Mess to fix ??? As I understand it, Harper left Canada in a much better shape than when he inherited it from Paul Martin. After a few years of Trudeau and the Liberals, the country will be back into fiscal deficits and, basically, a mess again.

Well, at least Trudeau seems to support the continuation of the monarchy.
As I understand it Harper had the worst economic record since the Great Depression.
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As I understand it Harper had the worst economic record since the Great Depression.
During the world's worst economic slump since the Great Depression (the 2008-2009 financial crisis and its aftermath ), Canada actually outperformed most developed economies. The Canadian economy has slowed down over the past year or so due to lower oil prices, but GDP growth is still in positive territory. Overall, I believe Harper handled the economy very well given the boundary conditions surrounding his 9 years in government. As a fiscal conservative, I have little faith though in Trudeau's Keynesian approach, especially his proposal of temporary structural deficits.
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Did he mispronounce "heirs" as "hairs" ?

PS: Just explaining, I meant "hair" in the so-called "General American" pronunciation, not in British RP pronunciation.
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Did he mispronounce "heirs" as "hairs" ?

PS: Just explaining, I meant "hair" in the so-called "General American" pronunciation, not in British RP pronunciation.

He did, but I'm wondering if that's just his accent. He has an interesting kind of French, kind of English accent.
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His first meeting w/The Queen as Prime Minister. I mean...Justin was just a little one, who more than likely was also threatened w/in an inch of his life to be on his best behaviour at the time too, the last time they met each other face to face. Now he's all grown up and soon to be our Prime Minister...It's going to be a full circle moment in so many ways. I know we won't get any video of the actual meeting between them, but that picture? That is going to be such a special picture
This is some of the magic of monarchies, the thread that runs through time, and with the incredible and strong reign of H.M the Queen, having sworn in the father of the new Canadian PM more than 30 years ago, and with pictures in existence of the new PM as a little boy, alongside his father, with the still-reigning Queen of Canada.

In a world where dynastic power is very much a factor in almost every republic around the globe, I'll settle for monarchical inherited positions any day. Atleast there's someone who is born and raised to do the task, selflessly and gently, and nobody could be luckier than Canada and the 15 other nations she reigns over, to have such a monarch, that is Queen Elizabeth II.
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