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Old 07-15-2009, 03:45 PM
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Oops, my mistake. Sorry.


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I don't think HM would need ministerial advice on who to appoint to the Order of Merit or any of her personal orders. I don't think there is any possible way that Chretien was nominated by Stephen Harper (and it certainly wasn't leftover ministerial advice from Paul Martin! ).
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:05 PM
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Fair point that younger royals should visit Cananda and Aus and other realms. I suspect William (and his wife?) will start to undertake more oversear royal toursonce Willsenters full time royal duties. As a full time member of the armed forces that is not possible just yet for Prince William. I am not sure about some of the other younger royals. At best,in time Harry could support his father, stepmother and broither in royal duties, but for now, there are plenty of other members of the family who can play supporting roles. I do not B&E should be undertaking royal duties overseas.
I think it would be a good idea if Beatrice and Eugenie start undertaking official engagements. They are 5th and 6th in the Line to the Throne respectively, they hold the styles of TRH and they will be among the few people, who will actually be able to perform official engagements on behalf of the Crown in, say, 10 years’ time.

A number of people support Queen Elizabeth (her children, Prince Philip, the Gloucesters, the Kents), however most of those people are advanced in age. A time will come when most of them will likely be unable to support Queen Elizabeth (or King Charles). Princess Anne will of course continue her marvelous work for a long time, and so will Prince Edward and Sophie. Prince Andrew is a business representative and mostly undertakes engagements that reflect his position. Even if Prince William and Prince Harry are married by the time to hard-working and dedicated women, there might still be a shortage of Royals, who will actually perform engagements. It is highly unlikely Peter, Zara, Lady Louise or Viscount Severn will support the Monarch in a significant way, which leaves only Beatrice and Eugenie who will be capable, and given their place in the Line of the Succession, expected to perform engagements (I’m omitting Prince William, Prince Harry and their wives, whose involvement is more or less certain): they are also the only ones (apart from William and Harry), who enjoy the styles and titles of Royal Highnesses (unless Lady Louise and Viscount Severn chose to use their rights as well, which is unlikely).
Even if William and Harry have 5 children each, Beatrice and Eugenie will still hold higher placed in the Line of the Succession than the Duke of Gloucester or the Duke of Kent occupy now.
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This is my opinion as well. From what I've seen, they seem to do well on the public engagements that they've attended.


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I think it would be a good idea if Beatrice and Eugenie start undertaking official engagements. They are 5th and 6th in the Line to the Throne respectively, they hold the styles of TRH and they will be among the few people, who will actually be able to perform official engagements on behalf of the Crown in, say, 10 years’ time.
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Oops, my mistake. Sorry.
Here is an article on Her Majesty's warm relationship with Jean Chretien. :)

Jean Chretien honoured by the Queen with Order of Merit - hellomagazine.ca
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Old 07-16-2009, 01:52 AM
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Thank you for this article, bweir. It was quite an interesting read. I must admit that, though I never voted for his Party, there's something endearing about Jean Chretien; and I'm sure that he appreciated the Queen's fluency in his first language.

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Here is an article on Her Majesty's warm relationship with Jean Chretien. :)

Jean Chretien honoured by the Queen with Order of Merit - hellomagazine.ca
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I think it would be a good idea if Beatrice and Eugenie start undertaking official engagements...
I appreciate your argument,especially in relation to the place in the line of succession that B&E currently hold. However, IMO, there is little room in modern Britain for a very large and extended royal family. As I see it going forward, once Charles is King, the focus will be entirely on W & H and their spouses. Charles' siblings will continue to carry on with their good works, and their respectively children, may carry out the occassional engagement or balcony appearance. B&E should focus on building careers for themselves independent of the royal family, and in time, as I said, do the odd appearance.

The Gloucesters and Kents had their royal roles primarily because HM ascendedthe throne at a very young age, and her chilkdren were not of anage to support her. Further, her only sibling could never be accused of being the most focussed or hard working royal. Hence, to fill the gap, the royal cousins were drafted in. The family scenario is quite different now, as are peoples expectations of the monarchy and the royal family.
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Canada's monarchists are raising strong objections to a speech given this week in Paris by Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean, in which she refers to herself as "Canada's head of state" — a position formally occupied by Queen Elizabeth.

Governor General calling herself 'head of state' riles monarchists

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This is interesting because in Australia, there are some sections of the monarchist movement that maintain that under the Constitution of Australia Act 1900 the Governor-General is the holder of the powers The Queen holds. This was confirmed during the 1975 Constitutional crisis, when the government was dismissed by the Governor-General and appealed to Buckingham Palace, to be told that
"The Queen has no part in decisions which the Governor-General must take in accordance with the constitution… it would not be proper for Her Majesty to intervene in person in matters which are so clearly placed within the jurisdiction of the Governor General by the Constitution Act."
Visit here - Australian heads of state - for more details

Is the Canadian Constitution different in this regard?
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I do think GG Michelle Jean should have said "as Governor-General" rather than Head of State. But at the end of the day she is the de facto Head of State. I do think the role of GG should evolve to be conisdered that of head of state. I've always liked that notion that the Queen is Soverign of Canada but the GG is the Head of State. Its really only word babble and theres isnt a real difference between the two but I think it would work.
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Canada's monarchists are raising strong objections to a speech given this week in Paris by Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean, in which she refers to herself as "Canada's head of state" — a position formally occupied by Queen Elizabeth.

Governor General calling herself 'head of state' riles monarchists

Bit uncalled for to be quite honest.
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Harper reminds GG just who is head of state

Prime Minister Stephen Harper has sent a clear message to Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean that she should not call herself Canada's head of state.

"Queen Elizabeth II is Queen of Canada and Head of State," the Prime Minister's Office said in a statement issued to Canwest News Service on Thursday. "The Governor General represents the Crown in Canada."

The extraordinary reminder from the country's head of government to its top viceregal representative follows an uproar over Jean's use of the phrase "head of state" when referring to herself during a speech in Paris on Monday.
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Governor General's new website adds fuel to head-of-state debate

Rideau Hall launched a new website on Friday with numerous references to Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean as "head of state," the latest development in the controversy over who, exactly, is Canada's head of state.
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Queen keeps distance from 'head of state' flap

News of Canada's "head of state" uproar has reached Buckingham Palace, where a spokesman for Queen Elizabeth responded cautiously to a question on Tuesday about the role Her Majesty plays in this country's political system.
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As much as I like Her Excellency, I am finding her behavior quite off putting. Though I do agree with her for the most part. Like I said, I've always liked the notion that the Queen is Sovereign and the GG is the Head of State. But Michelle has gone about it in an inappropriate way. Especially with the Queen visiting so soon. Her term will be over next year though so It will be interesting to see who will be the next GG.
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Up until this flap, I had always assumed that Her Excellency would be offered another term as Governor General, which is customary, I think. Now, I'm not so sure ...
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I agree and I think Her Excellency has put her foot in her mouth and also has let her position go to her head. Her dressing down by PM Harper was appropriate because she is not Head of State. Her re-appointment appears to be shaky at this time.
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I don't think it's customary for a governor general to get a "second term." (I put it in quotation marks because there is no formal fixed term for a governor general. He or she serves at the pleasure of the Queen who acts on the advice of her prime minister in that regard.) Adrienne Clarkson's term was "extended", but that was because Paul Martin wanted to keep an experienced governor general in office due to the likelihood of a minority government forming. No recent governor general has been in office more than seven years (none have even gone over six since Roland Michener).
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Very unprofessional of the GG if you want my opinion.
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The Queen is the Sovereign, which means that she is the Head of State. Michelle Jean isn't the first GG to say of herself, "I am the Head of State." I believe that Jeanne Sauve was the first one, back in the 80's. In her case, however, she wasn't corrected. Had she been, perhaps the faux pas wouldn't have been repeated.
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Hi,

Governor General Georges P. Vanier had his term extended twice and served nearly seven years.
It was believed he should stay on to celebrate the Canadian Centennial in 1967; but sadly he died in office that year just before the main events.

This beloved man was given a state funeral.

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