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Old 03-15-2006, 05:33 PM
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I woke up in the morning and saw Abott's words from the TV and I find Australia is likely to be a republican like what PM predicted. After all, Prince Charles is a foreigner to Australia and Australians now adore CP Mary of Denmark. I think Charles's visit to Australia may help the situation. He loves Australia but he did not come down the under often these years. Probably is he having a bad feeling because of the shooting in 1994?
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Old 06-03-2006, 12:48 PM
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Don't leave it too late for republican debate, says Vanstone

The Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone says Australians need to work out the best model for a republic before Queen Elizabeth II leaves the throne.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/060603/21/z864.html
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Old 06-09-2006, 12:25 PM
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Long live Charles:

FINANCE Minister Nick Minchin is warning republicans not to bank on change when Prince Charles becomes King, arguing Australians will easily accept him as the new monarch.

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au...5E2682,00.html
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Old 06-09-2006, 08:14 PM
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That remains to be seen...
Some points from the article...

A fervent monarchist...Would anyone really expect him to say anything else?

His relationship with Camilla Parker Bowles was now "consolidated and supported and popular"...What a small minority he is talking of! I can confidently say that most, and I mean most, Australian's couldn't give a hoot about either Charles or Camilla...even the monarchy for that matter.

Will my great country become a Republic straight after HM the Queen passes from this life to the next (long may that be)? No, but its definitly an
inevitable issue and change will happen. Impashioned monarchists like Mr Minchin like to fool themselves if they think otherwise.

I myself am a monarchist, yet I recognise the reality of Australia's pogressing situation.
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Old 06-10-2006, 11:11 PM
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Margrethe II, other Australians;
I interpret what Senator Minchin means is that he doubts there'll be any public outcry, or withdrawl of the present support the monarchy enjoys in Australia, when HRH THe Prince of Wales succeeds as monarch.

And as for Vanstone, she's been given a few talkings-to in regard to her renegade republican stunts which she vainly believes will cover up her departmental foul-ups. It's absolutely none of her concern, other than a citizen, far too much money has been wasted on a question which was settled in 1999.
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Old 06-10-2006, 11:47 PM
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Any immediate change perhaps, but you know as well as I Von Schlesian that change is inevtable, it will happen.

Will Charles be our king some years into his reign? I dont think so. He doesn't have the support or respect base his mother does and the likeliness of our next Prime Minister being a republican is pretty much assured. The debate shall be brought up in the not to distant future, especially if Labour takes office at the next election (weirder thing's have happend.lol.)..then again, Costello may surprise (god dispise that man & may he never be our Prime Minister).

As for far too much money being wasted on the 1999 question...yes, it certianly was. The Australian public should have been given a fair option for their money, instead of being backed into a corner. Even I, a devoted monarchist can admit that.

The next referendum shall be victorious for the Australian Republican Party and the majority of Australian's nation wide.
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Old 03-30-2007, 05:59 AM
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Lovely. Much like our federal congress' authority overriding the individual states' congresses.

Does that authority (of the Parliment of the United Kingdom) extend over the commonwealths or do their goverments have to pass the laws as well.
Meaning, could Australia's PM override an imperative from the UK PM because a law only applies in the UK?
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Old 03-30-2007, 06:52 AM
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Australia is a sovereign state, so an Act of the UK Parliament has no application here. If the UK Act related to the Monarchy then the Australian Parliament could pass complementary legislation, or not. Eg, Britain could be declared a republic but Australia would retain the Queen because our Constitution has the Sovereign as our Head of State.
No doubt that would be subject to some debate if it ever (shudder) happened.
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Old 03-30-2007, 07:10 AM
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There is, of course, the following clause at the very beginning of the Australian Constitution which would have to be dealt with in the circumstance of Britain becoming a republic before Australia (which I personally can't see happening):

2 Act to extend to the Queen’s successors
The provisions of this Act referring to the Queen shall extend to
Her Majesty’s heirs and successors in the sovereignty of the United
Kingdom.

The interpretation I have had, from constitutional lawyers is that this actually could be interpreted that a President of the UK would actually become the President of Australia until such time as we have a referendum to change that fact. This is based on the fact that the clause isn't just 'Her Majesty's heirs' but also 'successors' and that said 'successors' could actually be a republican Head of State. NB The 'Her Majesty' in this clause was actually Queen Victoria, which is why the clause says 'to extend to the Queen's successors...

This is a legal opinion only and other lawyers and experts are just as likely to say the opposite of the interpretation I have given above. The interpretation was given to me over a dinner discussion with some colleagues of my father, two of them senior constitutional lawyers in Australia by the way. They did admit that not all experts in the field agree with their interpretation but that most did agree that if Britain became a republic then we could argue that we had also become a republic at the same time - the question is whether we have the same Head of State or whether, with that clause, we actually have the new British Head of State as ours.

This is hypothetical of course. I suspect that Australia will be a republic within the next 10 years, possibly less, but that Britian won't become one in the next 20 or so years.
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Old 03-31-2007, 05:26 AM
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Theoretically, could any of the Commonwealth's take a vote of "no faith" in King Charles and only recognize King William (presuming HM the Queen Elizabeth II was dead)?

I'm trying to flesh out the politics of all the various places the Queen rules and see what could really become a mess. Not quite the thread I should be questioning in, but then this is close to "British/UK/et al Politics".
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Old 03-31-2007, 06:28 AM
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I would think that if they don't want Charles after the death of his mother, why would they want to continue with a monarch at all?
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Theoretically, could any of the Commonwealth's take a vote of "no faith" in King Charles and only recognize King William (presuming HM the Queen Elizabeth II was dead)?

I'm trying to flesh out the politics of all the various places the Queen rules and see what could really become a mess. Not quite the thread I should be questioning in, but then this is close to "British/UK/et al Politics".
It's not a personality contest. If Australians vote no, to having a constitutional monarchy, then that's it, there's no, we don't like him so we'll have the next one down.
Republican Australians want a Head of State that isn't also the Head of State of another country and doesn't live in Australia. They believe that as a mature nation Australia should have a Head of State that lives in Australia and is Australian.
The 1999 referendum where the republican model was rejected wasn't a vote for QEII but rather rejecting the republican model that was on offer. That was that the President of the future republic would be appointed by the government rather than voted for by the people.
The media likes to make it a simplistic popularity contest I'd like to think that Australians are more intelligent than to reduce the choice of their style of government a version of 'Idol"!
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Old 03-31-2007, 10:11 PM
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I'd like to think that Australians are more intelligent than to reduce the choice of their style of government a version of 'Idol"!
I'd like to think so, too, but I don't.
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"Fernberg" is the official residence of Quentin Bryce, GG of Queensland. She regularly has appointments here. It is in the suburb of Bardon.
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Queen Elizabeth is also Queen of Australia, our Head of State.
As she spends most of her time in the UK, her representative here is His Excellency The Governor General. He represents Australia as a whole in the absence of Queen Elizabeth. But each of our 5 States (Vctoria, New South Wales, Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia and Tasmania) also have a Vice Regal representative known as the Governor - who each represent the Queen in their own State. They each have a "Vice Regal Residence" which is also where the Queen stays when she is in the country. The pictures above show the Vice Regal Residence of Victoria, which is said to be the most palace like home is Australia.
And is by far the most beautiful of all the 6 residences in Australia.
Other countries in the Commonwealth have similar homes.

The pic below is an aerial view of Government House, Melbourne
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William wants to be next governor-general

PRINCE William harbours a secret desire to abandon London's nightclubs and his favoured pound stg. 100 ($238) Treasure Chest cocktail for a stint in Canberra as Australia's next governor-general, according to a new biography.

William wants to be next governor-general | The Nation | The Australian
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William wants to be next governor-general
He may have indicated that he would like the job but I suspect that the majority of Australians (this one included) would be totally opposed to it.

The only thing really holding the republicans at bay in many debates is the fact that their arguement that an Australian can't be our Head of State is refuted by stating that in effect an Australian can be because our Governor-General and state Governors are all Australians. To put a Brit in that situation would push many people over the edge towards republicanism.
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Your statement is contradictory i.e. "The only thing....republicans at bay..". I would imagine that the republicans would argue that an Australian should be your Head of State.
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Old 06-28-2007, 06:21 PM
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Your statement is contradictory i.e. "The only thing....republicans at bay..". I would imagine that the republicans would argue that an Australian should be your Head of State.

I think you misunderstood what I said.

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The only thing really holding the republicans at bay in many debates is the fact that their arguement that an Australian can't be our Head of State is refuted by stating that in effect an Australian can be because our Governor-General and state Governors are all Australians.
In many debates about becoming a republic the republicans argue that an Australian can't be our Head of State, because we are a monarchy, whereas the reply from anti-republicans uses the fact that the Governor-General is an Australian and therefore that our effective day-to-day Head of State is an Australian. This argument is the one that I referred to in my post.
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William (or any royal) as the next GG? Hmm, I think that boat sailed long ago now.

But, this is also an election year, and Kevin Rudd (Labor opposition leader) is a Republican as is Peter Costello (Liberal Treasurer and 'heir' to John Howard), so either way 'the' topic looms.

Interesting article to wake up to though.
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It seems like some corners of the media (not sure which ones, honestly) have been hinting at PW being a GG for some years now. Maybe the Republican press put it out there to egg on their perception of him as alcoholic, lazy, whatever, or maybe the royalist press put it out there for whatever reason, pro-Commonwealth sentiment? The royalists might argue it would be a good move, showing the royals to be "reaching out" or something to Australia.
It can't be good, though, for someone in direct line to the throne to have a GG job. Maybe Harry or one of the Queen's other grandchildren, fine, but PW heir presumptive to be GG? The royals love precedent, are guided by it, and there is no precedent for that, not a direct heir.
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