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Old 02-26-2010, 04:17 AM
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I, for one, would not be complaining but it is frustrating that the focus seems to be on Sydney and Melbourne again! Her last visit in 2006 was there, so I think it would be nice if she went a bit further afield - maybe Queensland or the NT?

If she makes a tour before CHOGM, she might be able to go to Canberra and open parliament, depending on when the election is held.
The next elections can be as late as the 16th April next year, which I highly doubt as that would mean both the Federal and NSW State election campaigns overlapping as NSW must to to the polls on 26th March. For our non-NSW members NSW has fixed four year terms while nationally we have three years terms for the parliament with the PM of the day having the discretion as to when to call it within the terms of the constitution. CHOGM is set for next year in Perth. The last three CHOGMs have been in November (the 2007 ones overlapped with the Federal election itself).

That would mean she would have to come twice to open parliament and then later the same year for CHOGM - not going to happen. Even if the election is this year the opening will still probably be next year as it was in 2007 - election November 2007 and opening February 2008 (which is why the parliament can sit until April as the parliamentary term is determined from the sitting of the parliament after the election rather than from the election date itself).

To have her here early next year wouldn't be good with the NSW election. To have her open the Parliament would get the republicans up in arms - a foreigner opening our parliament (and to many Australians she is a foreigner even if she is our Head of State - interestingly the last Australian parliament she actually opened was the NSW parliament in 1992). The only other times she has personally opened any parliaments was in 1954 so it has been a long time despite her visits here she isn't normally asked to do this as the various Australian PMs haven't asked her to do so (think about the fact that Menzies only had her do it once and Howard never - that speaks volumes about the attitude of the Australian parliament to having her perform that task and Rudd certainly wouldn't ask her. He is an out and out republican and if he wins the next election has said that he will hold a referendum on the republic again.
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Old 03-07-2010, 10:20 PM
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Bill for state gifts to Queen a princely $709

Hand-woven, original design, tartan lap rug - $450. Fine Merino wool tie - $37 x 6. Tartan neck scarf - $37. Total: $709.

It reads like a somewhat conservative Christmas present list, but that's how much Victorian taxpayers forked out on gifts for the Queen and the royal family when Premier John Brumby visited last October.
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:29 PM
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No Queen at Melbourne Anzac dawn service

Monarchists are up in arms over a decision to dump God Save the Queen from this year's Anzac Day dawn service in Melbourne after the RSL deemed it no longer relevant.
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Old 04-21-2010, 05:00 PM
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Australians will welcome republic: Hawke

Most Australians would agree to the nation becoming a republic at the end of Queen Elizabeth II's reign and the issue should again be put to the people, former prime minister Bob Hawke says.
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Old 04-21-2010, 05:49 PM
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I agree that the question needs to be asked again - first off the straight question "Should Australia become a republic?".

If that is a Yes answer then the government and opposition can work through a model that they can both support and put that to the people. While all they do is put models to the people that both sides don't support it will be hard to get it up but if they know definitively that the majority of the Australian public want a republic they can move forward.
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Her Excellency the Governor General, Ms Quentin Bryce AC, today conducted the swearing in of Her Majesty the Queen of Australia's 27th Prime Minister, Hon. Julia Gillard MP at Government House in Canberra.

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Ms Gillard is the first Lady Prime Minister of Australia, though currently unelected. Before the end of the year a federal election will be held.

(A quick synopsis for foreign readers: The former Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd MP today relinquished his elected post as Prime Minister as a result of declining approval ratings amongst the ALP (Australian Labor Party) and the public at large, which were the result of accumulating errors of judgement concerning policy etc. Ms Gillard served as the Deputy Prime Minister in the former Rudd Government).
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Australians will welcome republic: Hawke

Most Australians would agree to the nation becoming a republic at the end of Queen Elizabeth II's reign and the issue should again be put to the people, former prime minister Bob Hawke says.

These statements always make me laugh. Before anyone can state that most Australians would agree to the nation becoming a republic, a referendum should take place. I think that ex prime minister Bob Hawke would be surpirsed by the results. Just because Hawke doesn't like being a part of the Commonwealth doesn't mean that most Australians agree.
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Old 06-24-2010, 05:29 AM
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Ms Gillard is an elected Prime Minister of Australia. She was elected by her party, which is the largest party in the House of Representatives and thus she was properly elected as per our constitution and the conventions of our system (which is the same as the British one in this regard).

Australians do NOT elect our PM. We elect a local MP who gives us the courtesy of telling us with which party they are aligned to assist us make our decisions but even that isn't binding on them. After an election the party with the largest number of members in the House of Representatives elects a leader to be the PM - usually the leader who took them into the election but - imagine if the Liberals had won the last election but that Howard still lost his seat - we would have had a new PM.

The only people who voted for Mr Rudd at the last election were those in his electorate. He wasn't on the ballot paper I had in front of me so I had no chance to vote for him or Mr Howard or Ms Gillard. I have never had the chance to vote for PM as I have never been an MP or been in the electorate in which the leader of a party was standing.
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It's been an interesting 24hours here in Aus. If the Labor government wasn't a joke before K Rudd, it certainly is now. Roll on the next federal election.
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Where is the Australian PM's office? In the parliament building or in another building?
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Ms Gillard is an elected Prime Minister of Australia. She was elected by her party, which is the largest party in the House of Representatives and thus she was properly elected as per our constitution and the conventions of our system (which is the same as the British one in this regard).
Seasoned political commentators, the incumbent Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader have said on this very day (Abbott stressing the point, naturally) that Ms Gillard is the unelected Prime Minister of Australia, ie: she has not stood for candidacy via an announced federal election certified by the Governor General of this Commonwealth.

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It's been an interesting 24hours here in Aus. If the Labor government wasn't a joke before K Rudd, it certainly is now. Roll on the next federal election.
It has indeed, crisscross Though the liberals haven't set a very high standard of party unanimity these past two and a half years..hehe.

Politics hey...

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Big news in last 24 hours - I was happily sat reading about Charlene and Alberts engagement last night with the tv on in the background and the next minute we have a leadership challenge and a few hours later our first ever female prime minister.
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Old 06-24-2010, 08:28 AM
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Seasoned political commentators, the incumbent Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader have said on this very day (Abbott stressing the point, naturally) that Ms Gillard is the unelected Prime Minister of Australia, ie: she has not stood for candidacy via an announced federal election certified by the Governor General of this Commonwealth.

All that shows is that they don't understand the system.

The average Australian doesn't elect the PM. We don't have an election where the ballot says xxx for PM and yyy for Deputy. That decision is made by the party room and the party room alone.

If the seasoned political commentators don't understand the system then they should learn their job (and the opposition leader can't be commenting considering he would be an absolute fool to not understand it after the last election where he is own leader was defeated). I would be asking these people who would have been PM after the last election had the Liberals won but Howard still lost his seat - it wouldn't have been Howard and thus the ordinary people of Australia don't elect the PM.

We never have. Often there has been a change of PM during between elections e.g. Keating. Costello even pushed to change from Howard during the last term. It is perfectly legal because the party decides who will be the PM and not the people of the country. As the Labor Party has decided to change their leader Ms Gillard is now the elected PM. Whether she will still be the PM come Christmas time who knows ... as by then she will have had to face the electorate. Who knows she might lose her seat but Labor still win and the party will choose a leader to be PM who wasn't the leader at the time of the election (or Abbot might loses his seat but the Liberals win and then who would be PM?)
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All that shows is that they don't understand the system.
It's obviously been explained in laymans terms and gets the point across which is what they wanted to do. It makes the point that she has not achieved high office through the success of an election (federal).

I'd endeavour to believe that they are perfectly aware of the system...lol. They just don't have as much time on their hands to lay it out technicality by technicality...
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It's wonderful that they have a Lady Prime Minister.
So the Australians do not vote for a PM, they techinically vote for a party?
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It's exactly the same as happens in Britain - the Westminster System.
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It's exactly the same as happens in Britain - the Westminster System.
Didn't know it was called the Westminster System.
Until you mentioned Britain, I did not think that it does match ours. How strange.
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It's wonderful that they have a Lady Prime Minister.
So the Australians do not vote for a PM, they techinically vote for a party?

No - we vote for an individual.

That individual will either belong to a party or be an independent and that information is now on the ballot paper (it wasn't always there but is now to help electors now who is who).

The individual is able to change party allegiance or change from being an independent to being one without having to give up their seat.

We also use a preferential system to elect the representative so the person who gets the most votes with a 1 against their name often doesn't win the seat. If no candidate wins 50%+1 of the votes cast the person who has the least #1 preferences is excluded and their #2 preferences are then allocated and those votes are added to the #1 votes and if a candidate now has 50%+1 they are declared the winner but if no one has that number of votes they repeat the process.
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It has indeed, crisscross Though the liberals haven't set a very high standard of party unanimity these past two and a half years..hehe.

Politics hey...
You are so right. We don't really have a lot to choose from at the moment. I wouldn't trust Abbott as far as I could throw him. From a personal point of view, bring back Howard, things were so uncomplicated when he was PM
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I am ready to be corrected, however under the British and Commonwealth constitutional monarcy the constitution does not allow for a democratic choice in the form of a referendum. For Australia to become a republic all it needs is the current government to decide so. This is the legal requirement, but of course it would be foolhardy for a government to undertake this without a mandate from the people by making it a policy in their election manifesto. I believe also each state would have to follow the same procedure.
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