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Old 09-05-2005, 01:50 PM
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when did Theodora, Margarita and Sophie died, how is Sophie related to kinf Costantine of Greece ?
Theodora died in 1969
Margarita died in 1981
Sophie died in 2001

Sophie (and Margarita and Theodora and Cecile and Philip): 1st cousin once-removed to Constantine II of Greece
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Old 09-05-2005, 02:10 PM
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I noticed from the picture above with Margarita and Theodora with Prince and Princess Andrew of Greece, that Philip bears a strong resemblance to his father.
I noticed that Prince Charles' ears obviously come from Prince Andrew, his grandfather.
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Old 09-05-2005, 02:43 PM
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I noticed that Prince Charles' ears obviously come from Prince Andrew, his grandfather.
In this childhood photo of Prince Andrew, I can see a resemblance to his great-grandson Prince Harry.

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Old 09-08-2005, 07:14 PM
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I can't post any pictures for you but there are various books with good pictures you can buy such as Marlene Eilers' "Queen Victoria's Descendants" and Charlotte Zeepvat's "Queen Victoria A Family Album".
A summary for you of his sisters.
1. Margarita, 1905-1981. Married 1931 Gottfried Price of Hohenlohe-Langenburg 1897-1960. Children- daughter stillborn 1933, Kraft 1935-2004, Beatrix 1936-1997, Andreas b. 1938, Rupprecht 1944-1978, Albrecht 1944-1992.
2. Theodora, 1906-1969. Married 1931 Berthold Margrave of Baden 1906-1963. Children- Margarita b. 1932, Max b.1933, Ludwig b.1937.
3. Cecilia, 1911-1937. Married 1931 Georg Hereditari Grand Duke of Hesse & by Rhine 1906-1937. Children- Ludwig 1931-1937, Alexander 1933-1937, Johanna 1936-1939. NB Cecilia was expecting her 4th child when she was killed in a place crash with her husband, two sons and mother-in-law. The 4th child may have been aborted at the crash site presumably stillborn.
4. Sophie, 1914-2001. Married firstly 1930 Prince Christoph of Hesse 1901-1943. Children- Christina b.1933, Dorothea b.1934, Karl b.1937, Rainer b.1939, Clarissa b.1944. Sophie married secondly 1946 Prince Georg Wilhelm of Hanover b.1915. Children- Welf 1947-1981, Georg b.1949, Friederike b.1954

Hope this is of use.

You can find out much more from some of the other web sites.
I find it rather interesting how Princess Sophie married twice each time to princes. Did her first husband die or did they divorce?
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Princess Sophie's first husband was Prince Christopher of Hesse, who died in an airplane crash in 1944. I was trying to find out more about him and on the web he is described as a Nazi and a member of Himmler's staff. (Maybe someone better in the know will know if this is accurate or fair.)

When she remarried to Prince Georg Wilhelm of Hanover, oddly enough, she became aunt to Princess Sophia, Princess Irene and Prince Constantine of Greece (because their mother Queen Fredrika was born a Princess of Hanover).
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Prince Christopher of Hesse was an active member of the Nazi party, unlike the husbands of Philip's other sisters. Whether he was on Himmler's staff I don't know.

He was shot down over Italy during the war. He was serving in the Luftwaffe at the time.

There are some reports that he flew sorties over London, including the raids on BP but these have never been confirmed, as far as my research has been able to conclude.

None of the sisters was able to attend the wedding due to the fact that their husbands had served in the German military during the war but only Christopher actively supported the Nazis. The sisters did successfully insist that they attend the Coronation.
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Prince Christopher of Hesse
There are some reports that he flew sorties over London, including the raids on BP but these have never been confirmed, as far as my research has been able to conclude.
I believe the family has denied Prince Christopher took part in any air raid on Buckingham Palace, and no evidence has been found in the Luftwaffe archives to support the allegation.
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I heard the same thing, Warren. It was astounding to see this extended family torn apart by divided loyalties during WWII.
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Geez, poor guy!
What kind of relationship can you have and preserve when your countries & family members are fighting a war?
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No kidding lashinka2002...I was thinking the same thing... :)
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No kidding lashinka2002...I was thinking the same thing... :)
No wonder he seems so grumpy all the time...
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no kidding...:)
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I heard the same thing, Warren. It was astounding to see this extended family torn apart by divided loyalties during WWII.
But this particular family was always divided, even before the war. For one thing, Philip was the "late-in-life" child, much younger than his sisters.

Princess Alice had her mental issues and sent Philip away to Germany and England. I was reading in Majesty magazine that she never sent him birthday or Christmas cards when he was young.

Prince Andrew left his wife and lived with a mistress in Monaco.

No wonder that Philip has had some difficulty expressing feelings for his children; he never really had a stable home life that he could draw from.
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But this particular family was always divided, even before the war. For one thing, Philip was the "late-in-life" child, much younger than his sisters.

Princess Alice had her mental issues and sent Philip away to Germany and England. I was reading in Majesty magazine that she never sent him birthday or Christmas cards when he was young.

Prince Andrew left his wife and lived with a mistress in Monaco.

No wonder that Philip has had some difficulty expressing feelings for his children; he never really had a stable home life that he could draw from.
Good point, but I when I said extended family, I was referring to the cousins who sat on other thrones on both sides, also the extended minor, royal German families divided in their loyalties to Germany vs Great Britain and Russia as the majority of them were either blood related or related by marriage to the British Royal family.
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It's not any different than any major war fought for centuries between the ruling houses of Europe. And inevitable when virtually everyone descends from Queen Victoria -- look at what happened a generation earlier with World War I.
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I agree....that really ripped them all apart...thank you Kaiser Willhelm. :)

I cannot believe how he treated his sister Sophie and his mother right before she died.

If he were my son I would have to give him a good kick in the pants for his behavior.
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I think the Kaiser was always spoiled. I think maybe they were compensating for his birth defect.

And I'm not sure how much the in-laws interfered with the Princess Royal's thoughts on how to raise him. She seems to have been a bright and concerned woman (wouldn't expect anything less from Prince Albert's daughter!).
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His grandparents poisoned him against his parents and the Princess Royal was a bit of a fanatic of a mother due to his birth defects.

He grew up spiteful and very conceited with a great dislike of his parents. But he worshipped Queen Victoria in every way.

He was very cruel in tossing his mother out of the Neues Palais after her husband died.
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Worth having a look at...

More recommended reading from Warren:

"Crowns in Conflict - The Triumph and the Tragedy of European Monarchy 1910-1918" by Theo Aronson. This book details the personal relationships between the reigning monarchs and families in the leadup to WWI and how they were torn apart during the war;

"War and the Royal Houses of Europe in the Twentieth Century" by Anthony Devere-Summers, which covers the relationships and fate of the Monarchies during both World Wars;

"An Uncommon Woman The Empress Frederick" by Hannah Pakula, which is possibly the definitive biography of Vicky. Be shocked at her treatment by her son after the Emperor Frederick died and she was placed under virtual house arrest; be intrigued at how she managed to smuggle her private papers to Britain to stop the new Kaiser geting his hands on them. And much more!
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If you watch Charles and Diana's Wedding, during the processional, you can see Sophie giving Phillip a little wave when he passes her.
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