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09-25-2012, 11:58 AM
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How come the safety and well-being of her people doesn't concern the Queen? Abu Hamza was a threat for Britain, something everyone could see, and that includes non-British people who wondered whether Brits have completely lost their marbles for allowing someone to openly preach hatred for their country from their streets and squares. I mean, if a person chose to live in Armenia and then called it a "toilet" and called to fight against it, goodbye would have been the nicest possible thing he could hear.
The Queen obviously shared the concern, and asked her ministers how come a man who had clearly broken many laws was still at large. She's supposed to be the protector of the country's laws after all. |
Completely agree with you.
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09-25-2012, 12:09 PM
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How come the safety and well-being of her people doesn't concern the Queen? Abu Hamza was a threat for Britain, something everyone could see, and that includes non-British people who wondered whether Brits have completely lost their marbles for allowing someone to openly preach hatred for their country from their streets and squares. I mean, if a person chose to live in Armenia and then called it a "toilet" and called to fight against it, goodbye would have been the nicest possible thing he could hear.
The Queen obviously shared the concern, and asked her ministers how come a man who had clearly broken many laws was still at large. She's supposed to be the protector of the country's laws after all.
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While we don't know when this interview took place, apparently years ago, I'll refrain from commenting on the threat of Abu Hamza.
The Queen told a BBC reporter, she was upset and that she had questioned why he was still in the country. Nobody finds that just a tiny bit stupid? Even for The Queen, whom I respect most highly, that's odd.
Advise the Prime Ministers, express your 'thought's' in those private Tuesday meetings. Yes The Queen is write to be concerned about her country, but be concerned to the right people ma'am. It's not like she can do anything about it, the UK government couldn't do anything, it took 8 years and a million pounds to get someone to agree on his extradition, and he isn't going anywhere yet. What did the Queens upset and concern actual do? Nothing.
I stand by what I said, The Queen should have kept quiet. For me, her opinions should be kept for the ears of her family and when it concerns, the current Prime Ministers.
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09-25-2012, 12:34 PM
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As always, I respect your opinion, Lumutqueen, even if I do strongly disagree.
Maybe the Queen couldn't do anything as such, but as far as I'm concerned she was right in her attempt to at least voice her concern.
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09-25-2012, 01:01 PM
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As always, I respect your opinion, Lumutqueen, even if I do strongly disagree.
Maybe the Queen couldn't do anything as such, but as far as I'm concerned she was right in her attempt to at least voice her concern.
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I agree. It is not as if she actually ordered the mans removal from the UK. She asked a pretty simple and basic question. We don't know if the Home Secretary took any special actions based on her question. As for it being political, well it is not like she expressed a partisan political opinion or was interfering in the actions of the government or parliament. As I said, she asked a simple question. The government was under no obligation to act on it.
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09-25-2012, 01:03 PM
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I strongly disagree with Lumutqueen, also. From what I remember of my constitutional law classes, the Queen was perfectly within her rights to take an interest in this topic and question the Home Secretary about what was holding up Hamza's arrest and extradition (thank you the European Convention on Human Rights and the European Court of Human Rights).
The Queen is also entitled to express a private view to whomever she wishes. In this case, she was discussing the issue with Frank Gardner who was left in a wheelchair having been the victim of a terrorist attack by radical Islamist organisations in Saudi Arabia. The Queen is entitled to have a private conversation, with the reasonable expectation that the confidentiality of the conversation be respected, as has become the convention in the UK with regards to discussions with HM.
Ultimately, this whole case demonstrates why the UK must withdraw not only from the EU, but also from the ECHR. It's time to tell these unelected judges and bureaucrats in Brussels and Strasbourg that their days of riding roughshod over the democratic will of the British people are numbered.
I also see that the geniuses at 'Republic' are up in arms over the Queen expressing an opinion and questioning government ministers over this. The fact that they think this is something that might somehow make the Queen look bad, shows how divorced from reality they really are.
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09-25-2012, 01:14 PM
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Ultimately, this whole case demonstrates why the UK must withdraw not only from the EU, but also from the ECHR. It's time to tell these unelected judges and bureaucrats in Brussels and Strasbourg that their days of riding roughshod over the democratic will of the British people are numbered.
I also see that the geniuses at 'Republic' are up in arms over the Queen expressing an opinion and questioning government ministers over this. The fact that they think this is something that might somehow make the Queen look bad, shows how divorced from reality they really are.
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I agree completely with your thoughts on the EU and ECHR and as far as 'Republic' is concerned, I've been reading comments and newspaper editorials about this matter and probably 99 percent of people commenting applaud HM for this.
If anything it shows just how important constitutional monarchy is to the United Kingdom
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09-25-2012, 05:00 PM
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The woman's worth her weight and more in precious metals! Good on her for speaking up  .
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09-25-2012, 06:00 PM
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Advise the Prime Ministers, express your 'thought's' in those private Tuesday meetings. Yes The Queen is write to be concerned about her country, but be concerned to the right people ma'am.
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She did - she raised the question with the then Home Secretary.
Some time later in a private conversation she told a reporter that she had raised the question with the Home Secretary.
The sad consequence of this is that the entire royal family will now be reduced to 'hello' 'how nice to see you' type comments rather than a more personal one showing some understanding of the person's situation as she and they can no longer trust that their private conversations will be kept private.
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09-26-2012, 04:19 PM
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The Duke of Edinburgh today, September 26, toured the Royal Society of Edinburgh and afterwards presented Royal Medals to a group of academics to recognise their achievements in science and electronics.
** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** PA: Philip presents scientific awards **
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09-26-2012, 04:42 PM
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91 years young and still putting duty first. HRH is amazing!
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09-26-2012, 05:20 PM
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91 years young and still putting duty first. HRH is amazing!
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Not only is he amazing but I think he's also looking much younger than his 91 years young. I think Scotland agreed with him this year. He looks fit and well rested.
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09-27-2012, 05:11 PM
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09-28-2012, 02:24 AM
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Queen Elizabeth has been in Ballater, Aberdeenshire, to unveil a plaque marking a special Diamond Jubilee cairn near her Balmoral Estate on September 27, 2012.
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09-28-2012, 05:23 AM
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I think this is one powerful and beautiful portrait of Her Majesty The Queen.
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09-28-2012, 05:32 AM
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Talk about "A Penny (or Pence in this case) for Your Thoughts." I think the presents of the train, but no crown or tiara will make this a much talked about portrait for many years to come. If she were wearing either a crown or tiara, would not have made the portrait as interesting.
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09-28-2012, 05:34 AM
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I am *mightily* impressed with this. Just wow.
He is one of my favourite artists. His site has an ability to zoom in and out to see details. Here is the Queen's portrait on his site.
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09-28-2012, 09:55 AM
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It actually make me wish there was an actual ceremony where the Queen would have to walk into Westminster Abbey in her regalia. I mean she just look powerful.
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