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Old 04-25-2016, 01:31 AM
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No matter if you're running a business or even a family, it needs an authoritative figure at it's helm to keeps everything and everyone in line and in check. Ignore problems, everything falls apart at some point.

The Windsors have been through some stuff indeed. I think The Queen learn some hard lessons since those days.
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Old 04-25-2016, 01:49 AM
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The article was publish in January 2002.

It is full of inaccuracies, misleading comments, half truths, gossips and lies.

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To Fellowes, who regarded himself as a friend of Camilla
Really but no mention that he is Diana's brother-in-law.
Wonder why the omission?

[QUOTE]Mrs Parker Bowles, who had not been considered for any guest list for more than 20 years after[/QUOTE]

So according to the article the Queen never meet Camilla from 1973 until 'more than 20 years' later.

Camilla was invited by the Queen to Windsor on at least 2 occasions in 1992.

This article was written in 2002, there is not even a ten year span between June of 1992 and January of 2002 and definitely not more than 20 years.

The article states the the Queen met Camilla in 2000. Making it less than 8 years rather than more than 20 years.

According to the article written in January 2002, in reference to the Queen's relationship with Camilla.
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merely a cracking of the ice rather than a breaking of it". The ice, it seems, was still not for melting.
Yet the photographs show:

April 9, 2002 Camilla and her sister Annabel were invited to the funeral of The Queen Mother.
April 19, 2002 Camilla were invited to Princess Margaret's memorial service
June 1, 2002 Camilla was invited to Buckingham Palace for the Prom at the Palace classical concert to celebrate the Queen's Jubilee
June 3, 2002 Camilla and her daughter was invited to Buckingham Palace for the Golden Jubilee Pop concert.
July 2, 2002 Camilla invited to a private dinner at the Ritz with the Queen.
August 1, 2002 Camilla invited to Norfolk for The Queen Mother's memorial service at St. Andrew's church

Wonder what caused the Queen to 'suddenly' change her mind?

Or maybe it is a case of someone writing to sell a story rather than reporting the facts.

JMO, but when photographs can flush out the facts, it shows these type of stories to be exactly what they are stories.
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Old 04-25-2016, 02:15 AM
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I took the 20 years to date from 1973. 1992 is nearly 20 years. Why more invitations in 2002? Mainly, I suspect, because the Queen Mother was dead. By then Diana was already long dead. When did Charles make his "non negotiable" comment? I can't remember. Must check. ETA I can't find a specific reference but Camilla met William in 1998 so I'm guessing it was before that. So I think after the Queen Mother was gone, the thaw was inevitable.
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Old 04-25-2016, 02:22 AM
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I took the 20 years to date from 1973. 1992 is nearly 20 years. Why more invitations in 2002? Mainly, I suspect, because the Queen Mother was dead. By then Diana was already dead. When did Charles make his "not negotiable" comment? I can't remember. Must check.
There are photos of Camilla and Andrew at the Bramaer Games in 1978.

Maybe they were invited by QEQM.
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Old 04-25-2016, 02:46 AM
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Do you need a special invitation from a member of the RF to go to the Braemar Gathering? I don't know. Maybe you do, but I didn't think so. I think that an invitation would have been extended as Major PB's wife, not in her own right. If you do, I agree it was probably the Queen Mother who invited them.

Andrew's career star was still in the ascendancy in those days. His parents were close friends of the Queen Mother, he was a page at the Coronation. Laura was born in January 1978, Andrew was soon to be appointed Governor-General of Rhodesia and he was yet to be appointed Silver Stick. He had a fairly important position in general firmament. I doubt the fact that his wife was known to have been on with Charles some years earlier does not seem to have had any impact on his career and it would not have stopped them from both going to the Braemar gathering. I doubt any lingering dislike of her would have affected her when accompanied by her husband anyway.

Though I must say I am rather curious to know in what part of 1973 she was supposed to have been sleeping with Charles. She was married in July that year. I thought she was supposed to have been besotted with Andrew, who was quite a ladies' man and considered a catch. I'm surprised she would have been having liaisons with Charles at that time. This Lord Charteris sounds like a bit of a gossip and scandal-monger to me.
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Old 04-25-2016, 02:54 AM
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Do you need a special invitation from a member of the RF to go to the Braemar Gathering? I don't know. Maybe you do, but I didn't think so. I think that an invitation would have been extended as Major PB's wife, not in her own right. If you do, I agree it was probably the Queen Mother who invited them.

Andrew's career star was still in the ascendancy in those days. His parents were close friends of the Queen Mother, he was a page at the Coronation. Laura was born in January 1978, Andrew was soon to be appointed Governor-General of Rhodesia and he was yet to be appointed Silver Stick. He had a fairly important position in general firmament. I doubt the fact that his wife was known to have been on with Charles some years earlier does not seem to have had any impact on his career and it would not have stopped them from both going to the Braemar gathering. I doubt any lingering dislike of her would have affected her when accompanied by her husband anyway.

Though I must say I am rather curious to know in what part of 1973 she was supposed to have been sleeping with Charles. She was married in July that year.
Wasn't Charles away most of 1973...

These stories always seem to fall apart when one looks closely at the timeline.

I believe Laura's birthday is April 20th.
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Old 04-25-2016, 03:14 AM
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I think the relationships The Queen have with her children have matured over the years. I think they've come to some understandings, but probably just accept the way things are. The new generation of royals parent totally different than it was done in her salad days.
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Old 04-25-2016, 03:32 AM
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Wasn't Charles away most of 1973...

These stories always seem to fall apart when one looks closely at the timeline.

I believe Laura's birthday is April 20th.
All the info I've found puts Laura as born on 1 January.

Charles last saw Camilla before her wedding in mid December 1972, at Broadlands. He left on HMS Minerva in February 1973 and sailed off to the West Indies and didn't return till 31 August. While he was away, Camilla got engaged and married. On his return, he went straight to Balmoral. From 2 September to 14 December 1973 he was on a course at Portsmouth.

To be fair, the article does say "around" 1973. Perhaps it was 1974. But in 1974, Charles was off on HMS Jupiter in the Far East from January to August.

Tom was born in December 1974 though, and is clearly Andrew's child (though Charles' godson).

So there's only a small window of opportunity. Did Camilla nip up to Balmoral on 1st September 1973? Or perhaps they got away to Broadlands for a day or two in December. And how did blabbermouth Charteris find out anyway, and when did he dob them in to HM? Inquiring minds want to know these things.
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this might be slightly off topic but i love this video showing the Queen Mother returning from a 5 week tour of America and Canada. It shows the warmth between her and the Queen and the affection Anne and Charles have for her and she for them. I guess as the Queen had her new role to get o grips with it was inevitable the children would have to be, in part, looked after by others and so, if thats the case, who better than their grandmother. Part of me wishes they still did formal welcome homes like this now.
I wish things were as formal as they used to be too. I mourn the fact that there does not seem to be as many tiara appearances as there used to be. Queen Elizabeth II used to wear them to the theater events, but does not anymore. Does anyone know why?
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You are very knowledgeable. I would love to be more knowledgeable on the British royal family. Do you have any suggestions on how I could approach this? Books, websites? Thanks.
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Old 04-25-2016, 02:56 PM
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I think the best advice I could offer is what you're already doing. Hanging out here, reading and asking questions. Its how I learned things. Originally came here for Ascot hats, knew next to nothing about the BRF and/or how things work and the folks here were patient with me and explained things and its how I learned and am still learning and on top of that, its usually a whole lot of fun spending time with folks with the same interests that I have.

Check out the library section here and I'm sure you'll find a great number of interesting books to read. Royal Library - The Royal Forums
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Thanks. I love this forum.
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I would advise you to read books, as many as possible, from different points of view
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There is a book I am reading now, "Elizabeth the Queen, The Life of a Modern Monarch". It is by a former secretary that started at the palace under George V. It was a free ebook download. 300+ pages, and very interesting.
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Was Queen Elizabeth's lengthy separations from Prince Charles and Princess Anne as children in sharp contrast to the close-knit family atmosphere of her own childhood?
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It's different horses for different courses in many ways. When Queen Elizabeth was under ten her parents lived a fairly quiet life away from the spotlight. There was more time for family life, though Elizabeth also did have a much loved nanny and then a governess.

The Queen's parents did perform Royal tours and other engagements away during her childhood, as her grandfather the King had long periods of illness and convalescence during the 1920s/30s, so I wouldn't say she was constantly by her parents' side. However, she (and Margaret) was blessed with a very maternal mother and loving father, so in comparison to many aristocrats and royals of her generation Elizabeth had a golden childhood really.

When her father became King George VI of course the Yorks' rather leisurely way of life changed for good. They were still a close little unit of four, but there was less family time.

Being a monarch is certainly not an easy thing and it was very unfortunate for Elizabeth that she came to the throne when Charles and Anne were so small. Very sad for her and for them. She felt it was her duty to go on these long Commonwealth tours with her husband which separated her from her offspring, but, like her own experience as a toddler, when her parents came back from a long Australasian tour, there was probably quite an adjustment to be made afterwards in her relationship with her children.

I just don't think the Queen has ever been as overtly demonstrative, as maternal as her own mother was. Yes, of course she loves her family, but it's difficult to visualise the Yorks going to the races and to Sandringham after returning to England from time in Malta, before reuniting with their child, as the Queen did when Charles was very young. And Philip was of course, away on naval duties a lot when his older children were very small.
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Some very interesting video and script articles here - thanks to all!
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