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She doesn't even have any say in what goes into it - it is 100% written by the government and she simply has to read it.
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? Given the content of the article, http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/...after-election what action could she take that would not be seen as political? I could not think of any? What is the least political thing she can do? Blindly follow tradition, I guess. And wouldn't that be the least political thing she can do? What am I missing? Sign me -
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Is the Queen fretting about the rise of Jeremy Corbyn? By EPHRAIM HARDCASTLE | Daily Mail Online
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With a committed republican likely to lead Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition, is the Queen fretting about the rise of Jeremy Corbyn? Beardie is careful not to stress his anti-monarchy views lest they spook Labour-voting royalists. He says: ‘It’s not the fight I am going to fight.’ My source says: ‘Corbyn’s shrewd enough to realise the Queen has been able to charm her way to victory against whatever Labour throws at her, from fighting off hard-Left Tony Benn when he wanted to take her head off postage stamps to blocking Tony Blair’s attempts to rebrand the State Opening of Parliament as a Cool Britannia event.’ Incidentally, court lackeys have nicknamed Corbyn ‘Vincent’ – after his lookalike, (bearded) 19th century Dutch artist Van Gogh.
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An anti-monarchist, he once petitioned Tony Blair to move the entire Royal Family out of Buckingham Palace and into a 'more modest' dwelling.
He also wore a bright red blazer in the Commons during the eulogies to the Queen Mother in 2002.
I am a Labour supporter, but this man is going to be a disaster if he becomes leader of the party and even worse if he is elected prime minister, something I doubt will ever happen. But I don't think he's going to create trouble for the monarchy, he's not stupid. And I don't believe in anything of what Ephraim Hardcastle or Sebastian Shakespeare says.
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^^^ No worries. He knows better than to challenge an 80 percent approval rating for the BRF

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Mr Corbyn's comments follow a recent New Statesman interview in which he said that, although he remained a republican, the abolition of the monarchy could wait because his priority was social justice.
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Old 08-12-2015, 06:58 PM
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^^^ No worries. He knows better than to challenge an 80 percent approval rating for the BRF
I agree, and as I Wrote in my post, I don't think he's going to create trouble for the monarchy, he's not stupid.

Jeremy Corbyn Q&A: Scotland, Israel and WikiLeaks
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NS Would you abolish the monarchy?

JC Listen, I am at heart, as you very well know, a republican. But it’s not the fight I’m going to fight: it’s not the fight I’m interested in. I’m much more interested in rebalancing our society, dealing with the problems, protecting the environment.
This is a stupid question from NS. To abolish the British monarchy will be very difficult.
1: Most polls must show a majority for a republic.
2: Majority in the house of commons for a referendum, this is not going to happen.
3: Majority in the referendum for a republic, this is not going to happen.
4: Changing the country's name, changing the pound, remove the royal name from all state institutions. These are just some of the things that must be changed.
5: All of this is going to cost so much money that even many Republicans will start doubting it.

I actually think the British monarchy is the safest in the world, along with the Japanese.

Republicanism in the UK remains among the lowest in the world, with figures rarely exceeding 20% in support of a British republic, some polls have it as low 13%, and consistent ~70% support for the continuation of the Monarchy. And Some polls have the support for the monarchy as high as 82%, others at around 70 to 76%, another poll has the support for the monarchy from 66 to 70%.
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Her Majesty the Queen approved the following people members of Her Majesty’s most Honourable Privy Council.

Mr Angus Robertson MP
Ms Gisela Stuart MP

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Old 09-14-2015, 04:34 PM
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New Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn to pledge loyalty to Queen Elizabeth II | Daily Mail Online
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Life-long anti-monarchist Jeremy Corbyn has accepted an invitation to join the Queen's exclusive body of advisers on the Privy Council, it emerged tonight.

Membership of the ancient Royal body is granted to senior politicians who receive secret briefings from the security services and receive the life-long title of the 'Right Honourable'.

Mr Corbyn will have to take a solemn oath to honour the Queen and promise not to reveal any state secrets.
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Old 09-14-2015, 05:25 PM
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It's interesting that this thread got bumped because after reading a comment earlier today in another thread about Churchill "advising" the current queen to move to Buckingham Palace, I wondered if there is a discussion thread on monarchs/royals having to follow the "advice" / "requests" of political leaders. I don't think that this thread is what I'm looking for rather it's the opposite. I have been particularly intrigued by these types of interactions between the current Queen and Tony Blair, as well as with her first PM, Winston Churchill. I am also fascinated by the goings on between Stanley Baldwin and Edward VIII during his brief reign.
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Old 09-14-2015, 05:57 PM
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The British monarch as three rights: the right to warn, to advise and to be consulted.


In the end though the British monarch has to follow the advice of the PM. To go against that advice would lead to a constitutional crisis.


The British monarch actually has fewer rights than any other citizen in the country.


Conversations between the monarch and the PM occur weekly when parliament is sitting but NO minutes of those meetings are kept and they are the only two people in the room - hence why there is no information about what was discussed between them. Both the PMs and the monarch take very seriously that concept of no revealing what was said although occasionally a general idea of a conversation is leaked by the PM in their memoirs or something but not directly.


There are also a number of people who suggest they know or hint that they know. In 2012 the cameras were allowed into one of Mr Cameron's meetings with The Queen as part of the Jubilee documentary but they were only there for part of the meeting and nothing controversial was said in that time. What may have been said later we will never know.
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Old 09-14-2015, 06:37 PM
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I wonder if QE2 makes comments about the meetings in her journal.
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We don't know that Elizabeth keeps that sort of detailed daily personal diary, do we. She may do, like her forebear Victoria, or she might keep just a record of events and a few notes. It will be fascinating to future historians if she does keep a full daily journal, complete with her impressions of Prime Ministers from Churchill to Cameron.
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We don't know that Elizabeth keeps that sort of detailed daily personal diary, do we. She may do, like her forebear Victoria, or she might keep just a record of events and a few notes. It will be fascinating to future historians if she does keep a full daily journal, complete with her impressions of Prime Ministers from Churchill to Cameron.

I remember hearing her comparing the elaborate diary of QV to her own which is much shorter and not as detailed. Not sure but I think it was in the documentary series about Windsor castle.


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Old 09-15-2015, 04:01 PM
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Video: Jeremy Corbyn's failure to sing national anthem at memorial service defended as 'respectful silence' - Telegraph
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Jeremy Corbyn has defended not singing the national anthem the national anthem at the Battle of Britain memorial service by saying he had chosen “respectful silence”.
The hard-left Labour leader remained solemn, but silent, as he stood in the front row at St Paul's Cathedral on Tuesday.
Labour confirms Corbyn DIDN'T sing national anthem at service to honour Battle of Britain heroes - but insists new leader stood in 'respectful silence' (although he did get a free lunch out of it) | Daily Mail Online
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Jeremy Corbyn tonight claimed his refusal to sing the national anthem at a memorial service to remember the heroes of the Battle of Britain was 'respectful'.
The new Labour leader, a committed pacifist and republican, stood silently as the congregation at St Paul's Cathedral sang God Save the Queen on the aerial conflict's 75th anniversary.
I am a Labour supporter, but this man is dangerous, and he's going to create many problems.
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The atmosphere over breakfast was strained as the Queen noted the headline splashed across a newspaper: ‘Yes vote leads in Scots poll.’

For the first time in his political career, David Cameron’s equilibrium deserted him. It was Sunday morning, just 11 days before the Scottish referendum on independence, and he was staying at Balmoral for his annual late summer weekend with the Queen.

What if the YouGov poll was right? How would he be able to tell Her Majesty that he’d managed to go one further than Lord North, who lost the North American colonies, and lost the United Kingdom itself? The enormity of it all simply overwhelmed Cameron.

‘One of his normal characteristics is the ability to stay completely calm when everyone is panicking. This is one of the few times he didn’t do that,’ says a friend.

As he left Balmoral that night, Cameron telephoned his pollster, Andrew Cooper, from his car. ‘He was very worried,’ Cooper admits. ‘It was the first time he was seriously contemplating: “S***, we might lose.” ’

The Queen, too, was deeply troubled, and Cameron knew it.

Inside Whitehall, there were discussions on whether she could somehow speak out against Scottish independence while remaining within the constitutional boundaries of neutrality.

Under a cloak of secrecy, the Cabinet secretary, Sir Jeremy Heywood, and the Queen’s private secretary, Sir Christopher Geidt, held talks to work out how she might express her concerns in a suitably coded way.
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I don't believe the Queen should have spoken in even a coded way about how she hoped the referendum would finish up. Independence was a very emotive issue and should have been left entirely to Scots, as it was. The vast majority of Scots would have guessed which way the Queen wanted the vote to go anyway.

I think David Cameron's later disclosure was appalling. All that business about 'she purred down the line' (when the Queen heard the result of the referendum) was disgraceful, and probably caused great offence in Scotland. It certainly wouldn't have done the Queen's position with pro-independence Scots much good. Prime Ministers should at all times keep their mouths shut about delicate and controversial subjects, IMO.
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This is another extract from the unauthorised biography 'Call me Dave' . The author has already admitted publically that her most controversial stories to date have not been authenticated, ie someone has told her a hearsay story from an anonymous source and she never checked it out. All I can say is that this leaves the entire book in fairy tale land as far as I am concerned.

she has written it having been paid by Lord Ashcroft who was a party donor who expected a high level job in return and never got it. UK media are tranlating this book as a hatchet job done in retribution.

I think this is possibly another attack but they are involving HMQ and that is a really big mistake.
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I don't believe the Queen should have spoken in even a coded way about how she hoped the referendum would finish up. Independence was a very emotive issue and should have been left entirely to Scots, as it was. The vast majority of Scots would have guessed which way the Queen wanted the vote to go anyway.



I think David Cameron's later disclosure was appalling. All that business about 'she purred down the line' (when the Queen heard the result of the referendum) was disgraceful, and probably caused great offence in Scotland. It certainly wouldn't have done the Queen's position with pro-independence Scots much good. Prime Ministers should at all times keep their mouths shut about delicate and controversial subjects, IMO.

The Queen was damned if she did, damned if she didn't in that regards. It didn't matter what she said, she was going to be criticized. But if she said nothing, she would have been accused of not caring.

I kind of think in how she worded things she took the least bad option. She didn't openly support the no side, but she also didn't show disinterest in the issue.
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Article from today.
Exclusive: Jeremy Corbyn snubs the Queen, saying he is too busy to be sworn in to the Privy Council - Telegraph
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Jeremy Corbyn has snubbed the Queen by refusing to be sworn into the Privy Council on Thursday, as it emerged he could use a loophole to join the advisory body without ever meeting Her Majesty.

The Labour leader, a lifelong republican, is known to have reservations about kneeling in front of the Queen and kissing her hand as he swears an oath of allegiance to her, which is the normal process when a new Privy Councillor is sworn in.

And having refused to sing the National Anthem at a Battle of Britain 75th anniversary service last month, Mr Corbyn tried to dodge the issue by saying he could not attend tomorrow’s meeting due to unspecified “prior engagements”.
Articles from September, the other newspapers have also had several articles about this.

Jeremy Corbyn's 'shame' over Queen slur - Telegraph

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Jeremy Corbyn was under intense pressure last night after his peace movement published a “disgraceful” diatribe against the Queen.

A poem on the front page of the Stop the War Coalition website alleges that the Queen has a “criminal record” and is “lubricating Britain’s wars”, while the Royal family are arms dealers and “friends to despots and dictators”.

A poem on the front page of the Stop the War Coalition website alleges that the Queen has a “criminal record” and is “lubricating Britain’s wars”, while the Royal family are arms dealers and “friends to despots and dictators”.

At midday on Saturday, the Telegraph asked Mr Corbyn’s office to comment on the article.

Almost five hours later, Labour announced that he was standing down as chairman of the Stop the War Coalition after four years in charge.

However, in a gesture of defiance to his critics, he sent the group a message of support, saying it represented “the very best in British political campaigning” and promised that its cause “will remain my cause”.

Mr Corbyn’s office repeatedly refused to criticise the poem, claiming that the Labour leader had not seen it and so could not comment.

His refusal to condemn the tirade provoked outrage from his own shadow ministers, who said they were “appalled” by the sentiments it expressed.

Kevan Jones, the shadow defence minister, said: “This slur on the Queen will be highly offensive to members of our Armed Forces and many ordinary Labour voters. I am sure these are not the views of Jeremy Corbyn but it is time he distanced himself from some of the more extreme elements of the anti-war coalition.”

Sir Gerald Howarth, the former Tory defence minister, said: “He should be ashamed to be associated with an organisation which is so disrespectful to the monarch.”

The poem by Heathcote Williams was published in his work Royal Babylon: the Criminal Record of the British Monarchy. Titled God save the Queen: long may she reign as she and her family lubricate Britain’s wars, it goes on to criticise support for the monarchy saying: “The country survives despite its own past not because of it/ And its infantile wish for a benign parent above politics/ Persuades it to ignore unpleasant facts, such as the sovereign’s endorsing/ The very nastiest political act of all, namely killing.”

It goes on to describe the sovereign’s dominant role being to inspect “row after row” of soldiers who have been “broken down”, “reconfigured” and “programmed to kill on command”.

It continues: “The sovereign is crucial to the lubrication of Britain’s wars/ By its gulling soldiers into dutifully dying;/ Then, after paying homage to such victims of state carnage,/ By its encouraging arms-trade profiteering.”

The poem says the Queen was “groomed” to join “the UK’s military-monarchy-complex”, while the Duke of Cambridge is also being prepared to succeed her in this role.
Forcing Jeremy Corbyn to kneel before the Queen would be cruel and distasteful - Telegraph

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Just let the man go in, shake the Queen’s hand, make some small talk about manhole covers and cricket, and get the hell out again. I can’t believe Her Majesty actually gives a monkeys about whether Jeremy Corbyn kneels or not. And I’m pretty sure that just days after becoming Britain’s longest-serving monarch the last thing she wants to do is get dragged into a row between the Royal family and the Labour Party. We can all do without the battle of Corbyn’s knee.

This is not the first time the Left’s republicanism has run into the protocols and procedures of institutions underpinned by the benign anachronism of the Crown, and it won’t be the last. At the start of every parliamentary session Dennis Skinner is asked to swear the oath of allegiance. Sometimes he mumbles. On other occasions he pledges allegiance to Queen Elizabeth but not her heirs and successors. The clerk of the House smiles. The Speaker shakes his hand. Dennis moves on. The world still turns.

In a couple of years, this will all be over. Jeremy Corbyn will be gone. Labour will have a new leader. They will go and see the Queen, and they will kneel, and they will deliver that ludicrous-sounding vow. Again, the world will continue to turn.

Let’s not force Jeremy Corbyn to his knees. If he wants to be able to tell his grandchildren about the day he refused to kneel before the Queen, fine. Soon someone will have to take the leadership of the Labour Party away from him. But they can let him keep his self-respect.
Five shadow cabinet ministers attack Jeremy Corbyn in national anthem row - Telegraph
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A group of senior Labour MPs have attacked Jeremy Corbyn for failing to sing the national anthem at a Battle of Britain memorial service.

Three of the most senior members of Labour's shadow cabinet told The Telegraph they would have sung God Save The Queen while a further two said the new leader was wrong to have stood silent.
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I can only say this: while the politicians and media are causing trouble and arguments amongst themselves and each other, Her Majesty the Queen carries on regardless in her usual, disciplined, regal way far beyond all the nonsense - and that is why I am glad we have a monarch!
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I can only say this: while the politicians and media are causing trouble and arguments amongst themselves and each other, Her Majesty the Queen carries on regardless in her usual, disciplined, regal way far beyond all the nonsense - and that is why I am glad we have a monarch!
Yes, she does. And the Queen is not a person who cares if he kneels in front of her or not, but Jeremy Corbyn is dangerous and this comes from me who is a Labour supporter.

The Queen said in Berlin ''We know that division in Europe is dangerous and that we must guard against it.'' I would say the same about him, Jeremy Corbyn is dangerous and we must guard against him.
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