The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Reigning Houses > British Royals > Queen Elizabeth II and the Duke of Edinburgh

Join The Royal Forums Today
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #521  
Old 08-11-2011, 07:54 PM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,175
I also didn't think Margaret hated Diana. They were fairly close (or on good terms) and like many others, Margaret only wrote Diana off (so to speak) after the Morton book and the television interview. Same with Prince Phillip (if the tone of his personal letters) is anything to go by.
__________________

__________________
.

  #522  
Old 08-11-2011, 08:32 PM
sirhon11234's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: New York, United States
Posts: 2,464
From what I read the Diana Chronicles by Tina Brown, and Diana by Sarah Bradford.
Diana's relationships with Charles, the Queen, and Prince Phillip greatly improved by Diana's death to the point that both Charles and the Queen sent flowers to Diana on her last birthday. Diana and Anne didn't really seem particularly close because they didn't have much in common so I read. She did get along with Edward and Andrew and some members of the extended family.
IMO TRF seemed genuinely sad and shocked by her death. They certainly weren't taking delight that she was killed.
__________________

__________________
"I think the biggest disease the world suffers from in this day and age is the disease of people feeling unloved."
Diana, the Princess of Wales
  #523  
Old 08-11-2011, 09:21 PM
Bundtrock's Avatar
Commoner
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Irving, United States
Posts: 46
One does NOT have to generate and feel the emotion of hate in order not to like someone or care for them. I never said that any member of the Royal family hated Diana, though I do suspect that Charles and Diana did arrive at that status in their relationship. Now did they resolve and ease into a benign state of neutrality? I don't know and I don't think anyone else does either.

Let us not forget that the Royal family and Diana did engage in a Press war for years, with the Royal family often finding themselves on the losing end of the situation. I don't think that would engender positive feelings for Diana from the Royal family, do you?

While I remember reading that Margaret is reported to have told Charles during their divorce that she did intend to remain on friendly terms with Diana, I also remember reading that after Morton's book, that totally changed and she cut off contact with her.

I am not attributing anything negative towards Diana or the Royal family, simply saying that it seems logical to me that neither had warm and cordial feelings towards the other side.
__________________
Camilla Bundtrock
  #524  
Old 08-11-2011, 09:29 PM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,175
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundtrock View Post
One does NOT have to generate and feel the emotion of hate in order not to like someone or care for them. I never said that any member of the Royal family hated Diana, though I do suspect that Charles and Diana did arrive at that status in their relationship. Now did they resolve and ease into a benign state of neutrality? I don't know and I don't think anyone else does either.

Let us not forget that the Royal family and Diana did engage in a Press war for years, with the Royal family often finding themselves on the losing end of the situation. I don't think that would engender positive feelings for Diana from the Royal family, do you?

While I remember reading that Margaret is reported to have told Charles during their divorce that she did intend to remain on friendly terms with Diana, I also remember reading that after Morton's book, that totally changed and she cut off contact with her.

I am not attributing anything negative towards Diana or the Royal family, simply saying that it seems logical to me that neither had warm and cordial feelings towards the other side.
I can only speak for myself, but I spoke of the perceived relationship between Diana Princess Margaret and Prince Phillip based on your initial post, of which I bolded.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bundtrock View Post
I find it disconcerting that people in general expected the Queen and the immediate Royal family to pretend that they were heartbroken and in mourning over Diana's death, why would they be?

Yes, her children would be and yes, the Royal family should be loving and supportive towards them, that goes without question.

Diana DID NOT like or care for the Royal family and the real truth is the Royal family did not like or care for her and I would think that would be especially true for the Queen.

Diana was a huge carbuncle on their Royal posterior area and a very painful one at that. I am certain that the Queen and the rest of the Royal family felt a huge relief when the divorce was final and NO, I don't think they shed a tear at her death. I don't think Diana would have shed a tear at one of their deaths either.

Why do people demand that others act in a hypocritical way? What useful purpose does it serve other than pretense?

For the record, I didn't ask you to provide any sources to support your statement that Diana didn't like members of the BRF as this is not the correct thread, as this just relates to the Queen's reaction to Diana's death and the public perception. If you wish to discuss Diana's relationship with other members of the BRF, we can do so here Diana's relationships with The Queen and other members of the Royal Family
__________________
.

  #525  
Old 08-11-2011, 09:48 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Los Angeles CA, United States
Posts: 1,075
Quote:
Originally Posted by wanderingnana View Post
I am so sorry, I really don't mean to be rude, but it has been -what- 15 or so years now since this happened? Isn't it time to put this subject to rest? PLEASE?
The answer is: it will never be 'put to rest' because it all relates to historical events with very public personages. There are threads here that are debating Czarina Alexandra of Russia and her value to the Russian Imperial Family - issues over a hundred years old. Fifteen years is nothing in that scheme of things. Charles and Diana, the Queen and Diana, Diana's death - will be discussed from here on out with no end.

The personal solution is to not come on a thread like this - but for some (like myself) its an important conversation to have with other like-minded folks - or like interested - because there is a lot to consider about it all. My opinion.
__________________
  #526  
Old 08-12-2011, 04:33 AM
Iluvbertie's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bathurst, Australia
Posts: 8,368
Quote:
Originally Posted by wanderingnana View Post
I am so sorry, I really don't mean to be rude, but it has been -what- 15 or so years now since this happened? Isn't it time to put this subject to rest? PLEASE?

As people still debate the life of many figures in history, going back much longer than 15 years, no it isn't time to put it to rest.

In 150 years, in 1500 years and even more Diana will still be debated - like Cleopatra, Anne Boleyn, etc Diana has passed into history but historians have to have something to discuss and that is what they do - debate past events and people and that now includes Diana.
__________________
  #527  
Old 08-12-2011, 04:42 AM
Daisiesforever's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 609
Yes Diana does form a very significant part of modern day British history. Her life and death has led to the turning point of many events that will continue to affect the British monarchy for many years to come. She was also the Mother of the future heir to the throne.
__________________
  #528  
Old 08-12-2011, 04:43 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Edinburgh, United Kingdom
Posts: 3,500
Zonk - thanks for the link !

******************************

If one wanted to compare Diana with other historical figures, there is already a prototype - Georgiana, Duchess of Devonshire.
__________________
  #529  
Old 09-09-2011, 10:49 AM
Warren's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 15,304
September 6 marked the 14th anniversary of the public funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales and it is now 5 years since the release of the film "The Queen" which focused on the Queen's reactions to her death.

The moderators consider that the topic has been fully explored and rather than have a repetitive discussion the thread has reached its use-by date and should be closed. If any revelations appear in the media concerning the Queen's attitude and actions during the fraught week of 31 August - 6 September 1997 the thread may be reopened for further discussion.

Warren
for the British Forums moderators
__________________

__________________
Seeking information? Check out the extensive Royal A-Z
Closed Thread

Tags
balmoral, buckingham palace, diana princess of wales, diana's death and funeral, elizabeth ii, queen elizabeth ii, tabloid press, tony blair


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Photos Of King Constantine and Queen Anne-Marie earlier days... Julia King Constantine and Queen Anne-Marie 241 03-09-2014 08:13 PM
Lady Jane Grey, Queen for 9 days (1537-1554) ysbel British Royal History 77 04-16-2011 11:25 AM
Run-up to the inquest into Diana's death wymanda Diana, Princess of Wales (1961-1997) 1117 10-03-2007 11:18 AM
New books marking the tenth anniversary of Diana's death Hendrik-Jan77 Royal Library 82 10-03-2007 11:12 AM




Additional Links
Popular Tags
birth charlene chris o'neill crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess letizia crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria current events fashion grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta sofia jordan king abdullah ii king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander luxembourg olympic games ottoman palace pom president komorowski prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince constantijn prince felipe prince felix prince floris prince frederik prince laurent prince pieter-christiaan princess princess alexia (2005 -) princess anita princess ariane princess beatrix princess catharina-amalia princess charlene princess claire princess laurentien princess letizia princess mabel princess madeleine princess margriet princess marie princess mary princess of asturias queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen paola queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal russia spain state visit wedding william winter olympics 2014


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

RV & Travel Trailer Communities

Our RV & Travel Trailer sites encompasses virtually all types of Recreational Vehicles, from brand-specific to general RV communities.

» More about our RV Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002-2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:48 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]