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Old 01-21-2018, 03:24 PM
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Case Real's security protects the "Royal Family", which only includes the King, the King's parents, consort and decedents.

JC's sisters, nephews, nieces and cousins are not in the line of succession. The 1978 Constitution limits the line of succession to JC's direct decedents. Elena, Cristina and their children are protected by the Interior Ministry because they're in the line of succession. JC's sisters and their families have no security protection unless they're representing Casa Real or the state, something they haven't done for a long long time.
JC's sisters, nephews/nieces and cousins are a special case because they were caught in the limbo between the republic and the restoration of the monarchy in the format it assumed in the constitution of 1978. Even if they were not in the line of succession, as former members of the Royal House (unlike JC's sisters for example), JC's daughters would always be potential targets. But, in any case, since they are in the line of succession (Elena is actually 3rd, which is pretty high IMHO, and Cristina is 6th), the need for state security is even more evident.

Let me just add that, in the unfortunate event (God forbid) that Felipe and Letizia might both pass while Leonor is still a minor, Elena would be regent under the constitution and, in her absence, the regency would be occupied by Cristina. They are too important then to be left unprotected.
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Old 01-21-2018, 03:40 PM
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If JC helps his daughter out of his personal wealth, it's one thing. If he pays his daughter out of the state budget designated for the Royal Household, it's a completely different thing. When a CEO of a company pays his/her daughter a salary out of the company's fund instead of his/her own pocket, the daughter is considered an employee of the company. The same rule applies to royals. The fact that too many royals have been trespassing on this basic governance line that is common in private sectors doesn't make it right.

BTW, Felipe obviously thinks the same as I do. He banned the practice for both his own family members and employees of Casa Real.
Again, the constitution of Spain supersedes anything that you might consider "standard practice in private governance". Please refer to the quote below (emphasis added by me):

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(1) The King receives an overall amount from the State budget for the maintenance of his Family and Household and disposes it freely.
(2) The King freely appoints and relieves the civilian and military members of his Household.


Sorry, but you are just comparing apples and oranges and confusing the Royal Household with a private corporation, which it is not. Of course, you can question the constitutional privileges of the King and his family, or question the monarchy itself as a form of State, but that is a different discussion.
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Old 01-21-2018, 03:51 PM
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Case Real's security protects the "Royal Family", which only includes the King, the King's parents, consort and decedents.

JC's sisters, nephews, nieces and cousins are not in the line of succession. The 1978 Constitution limits the line of succession to JC's direct decedents. Elena, Cristina and their children are protected by the Interior Ministry because they're in the line of succession. JC's sisters and their families have no security protection unless they're representing Casa Real or the state, something they haven't done for a long long time.
What is the difference in financing structure between protection by Casa Real versus protection by the Ministry of the Interior? Doesn't the money come from the same source? Or are you arguing that Cristina shouldn't receive any protection?

Would Cristina be less of a target if she is no longer in line to the throne (and I still wonder what would happen with her children)? She will always be her brother's sister... I don't think a terrorist would make a difference between 'in line to the throne' or not. So, I am quite surprised to learn that security is not based on perceived thread but on being or not being in line to the throne (does that also mean that Jaime and Iñaki never received protection)?
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Old 01-21-2018, 04:29 PM
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"The King receives an overall amount from the State budget for the maintenance of his Family and Household and disposes it freely."

Sorry, but you are just comparing apples and oranges and confusing the Royal Household with a private corporation, which it is not.
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No, it's not. The operative words in the Constitution you cited are "the STATE BUDGET". The funds come from the STATE, aka taxpayers. It's not designated as the King's "salary". It's specifically designated as "for the maintenance of his Family and Household". It's the King's prerogative how to distribute it. But still, it's different from the King's own money. Again, I said Cristina got money directly from the STATE. That is an accurate statement. Contrasting the 1 million euros JC gave Cristina for the purchase of a house, that was HIS money instead of Casa Real's budget from the state.

And as I said, Felipe and his team interprets this the same way as I do. He has a law degree and the head of the royal household is an attorney.
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What is the difference in financing structure between protection by Casa Real versus protection by the Ministry of the Interior? Doesn't the money come from the same source? Or are you arguing that Cristina shouldn't receive any protection?

Would Cristina be less of a target if she is no longer in line to the throne (and I still wonder what would happen with her children)? She will always be her brother's sister... I don't think a terrorist would make a difference between 'in line to the throne' or not. So, I am quite surprised to learn that security is not based on perceived thread but on being or not being in line to the throne (does that also mean that Jaime and Iñaki never received protection)?
The difference is that Case Real's security is under the command of the King and its budget comes from the royal household's budget. The Interior Ministry is under the management of the Minister of Interior and its budget comes out of government's budget. The Minister of Interior decides whether Elena or Cristina gets protection or not instead of the King.

This was explained at the time of the abdication/proclamation.
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