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Old 01-10-2014, 08:42 AM
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The Infanta Cristina met with her attorneys in preparing her defense
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The Infanta Cristina meets with her lawyers to prepare her defense
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The Infanta Cristina eats at Zarzuela after preparing her defense in Barcelona
The middle child of the King, who has been charged by Judge Castro for money laundering and tax fraud, traveled Thursday January 9 to Barcelona to meet with her lawyer, Miquel Roca, and prepare their defense strategies. This Friday met with Reyes in Zarzuela.
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Being the son of the king, Urdangarín could have won a lot of money easily and legally (as Jaime de Marichalar). But his ego, ambition and evil counselors made ​​him make many mistakes.
Even if it is legal I don't like people to earn their money simply because they are married to a king's daughter
Inaki could have earned money honestly by finishing his studies and apply for a decent job, what he probably would have done if he had not met the king's daughter.
Cristina wanted everything quickly. She was already over 30 when she met Inaki.
She wanted a husband, children, whealth and her royal status.
In a high-speed of time she got what she wanted.
I don't know if young Inaki was ready for that.

BTW ask dutch Mr. Pieter van Vollenhoven about marrying a Queen's daughter.
He had a hard time before he earned his place inside the royal family and had his own job.
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:16 PM
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:25 PM
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I feel so bad for the Urdangarín children, they are going to grow up in this shadow and it is going to follow them into adulthood. Shame on their parents if it turns out to be true, they had more opportunity then most to do things legally and still have a good life. That is why gluttony is one of the 7 deadly sins!!
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:32 PM
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Princess Cristina must answer some tricky questions. Why did she pay her domestic staff in black? Why did her company hire “ghost” employees who did nothing? Why did she rent out part of her luxurious Barcelona mansion to the same, staff-less company? Was a €1.2m ($1.6m) transfer from her father a loan, or a gift kept hidden from the exchequer? Was she really unaware of how her husband allegedly laundered the money he received from public contracts via a non-profit company whose board she served on and into their joint company, or did their luxurious lifestyle depend on lying?
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Old 01-10-2014, 03:37 PM
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Princess Cristina must answer some tricky questions. Why did she pay her domestic staff in black? Why did her company hire “ghost” employees who did nothing? Why did she rent out part of her luxurious Barcelona mansion to the same, staff-less company? Was a €1.2m ($1.6m) transfer from her father a loan, or a gift kept hidden from the exchequer? Was she really unaware of how her husband allegedly laundered the money he received from public contracts via a non-profit company whose board she served on and into their joint company, or did their luxurious lifestyle depend on lying?
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Wow! I wouldn't want be the one answering those questions, that's for sure. This is not going to be pleasant for the Infanta, whatever the outcome.
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The Infanta Cristina returns to Spain

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Good. Now she will sit on The King's head and use all drama/emotional blackmail to see that the summons/questioning is somehow 'managed'..
For that poor old man, one spoiled child is enough not to be able to age/die in peace..
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Old 01-10-2014, 10:49 PM
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Wow! I wouldn't want be the one answering those questions, that's for sure. This is not going to be pleasant for the Infanta, whatever the outcome.
She will have excellent attorneys that will tell her exactly what and what not to say. Her lawyers will already have their briefs on the exact charges and documentations supporting those charges. It is her legal teams responsibility to try and make those claims seem silly or wrong. I am sure she will come out of this very well by the end of this year, which will cause a ton of conspiracy theories. That seems to be the common reaction to these cases in modern times. I believe her husband will not come off so well. Time to start looking under the rug.
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Old 01-10-2014, 10:57 PM
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She will have excellent attorneys that will tell her exactly what and what not to say. Her lawyers will already have their briefs on the exact charges and documentations supporting those charges. It is her legal teams responsibility to try and make those claims seem silly or wrong. I am sure she will come out of this very well by the end of this year, which will cause a ton of conspiracy theories. That seems to be the common reaction to these cases in modern times. I believe her husband will not come off so well. Time to start looking under the rug.
Oh, yeah. She will be rehearsed to the hilt. Daddy must be payin' big time for these suits.
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Old 01-11-2014, 08:32 AM
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Infanta Cristina has decided to waive the right to appeal after their complaint on 7th January and will voluntarily appear before the investigating judge of Nóos case, Jose Castro, on the date specified by him for that purpose, today announced their lawyers on a statement.

Caso Urdangarin: La infanta Cristina no recurrirá la imputación y declarará por el caso Nóos | Política | EL PAÍS
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I do not think anyone thinks that.

The real brains in this story was Torres, he was the one with business and economic knowledge, and who had been his teacher in a business school. His wife and brother in law were also very active in the business. He created the origin of Noos and then Urdangarín joined as "face" of the project.
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To create Noos and do what they did, they must have economic, legal and tax knowledge that Iñaki and Cristina did no have. They saw easy money and took advantage, but the real brain, true counselors were Torres and Tejeiro, because that was their profession. They all were too ambitious and unintelligent
i do NOT agree that the brains of this was tejeiro and torres.

are you saying that world-travelled, well-educated, well-connected cristina does not understand basic economics or the tax laws of her own country where her father is king? and even if they really have no clue about these subjects... are you really implying that they got dragged into this and they never even hesitated whether this was right behaviour? i believe even if the dumbest person got dragged into this, they would ask for assistance to understand what's going on and whether they are acting rightly. and this is the daughter of the king of spain we talk about: any assistance would have been available to them to clarify any doubts they may have on their business.so no, my opinion is that they knew very well what they got into. they just thought they could get away with it because of who they were.

maybe you wanted to say that torres brought the knowledge with him, but he was definitely not the brains of this.

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Princess Cristina must answer some tricky questions. Why did she pay her domestic staff in black? Why did her company hire “ghost” employees who did nothing? Why did she rent out part of her luxurious Barcelona mansion to the same, staff-less company? Was a €1.2m ($1.6m) transfer from her father a loan, or a gift kept hidden from the exchequer? Was she really unaware of how her husband allegedly laundered the money he received from public contracts via a non-profit company whose board she served on and into their joint company, or did their luxurious lifestyle depend on lying?
Spain's monarchy A royal mess The Economist
these are all very valid questions, yet today cristina's lawyers dared release a communicate saying that she has "nothing to hide to the investigating judge or the Spanish society". shocking, violent and not very dignified behaviour at all. at least as of now, she really does have lots of things to prove, and so does her husband.
this is the article:
http://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_espanola/2014011169110/infanta-cristina-comparece-voluntaria-


last, elmundo reports that letizia's engagement ring was bought by torres and iñaki, using public money. felipe asked cristina to pick the ring up, but her being sick, it was iñaki who picked it up with torres, and torres paid for it with the aizoon card. felipe never paid them back, which makes letizia's ring a piece paid for with corrupt money. since the start of the case, letizia has not worn the ring in sign of her disapproval, and the article says she has never forgiven felipe and iñaki for this.

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Infanta Cristina has decided to waive the right to appeal after their complaint on 7th January and will voluntarily appear before the investigating judge of Nóos case, Jose Castro, on the date specified by him for that purpose, today announced their lawyers on a statement.

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Just because she has decided to waive the right to appeal and "voluntarily" appear does in no way prove that lawyers are not, even now, prepping her. Telling her exactly what to say or not to say. Claims are public judicial papers. She will still be coached on exactly what path to take. I personally believe this statement was made, on advice, to get public backing.
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elmundo reports that letizia's engagement ring was bought by torres and iñaki, using public money. felipe asked cristina to pick the ring up, but her being sick, it was iñaki who picked it up with torres, and torres paid for it with the aizoon card. felipe never paid them back, which makes letizia's ring a piece paid for with corrupt money. since the start of the case, letizia has not worn the ring in sign of her disapproval, and the article says she has never forgiven felipe and iñaki for this.

El tab del anillo de Letizia comprado por Iaki | loc | EL MUNDO
How reliable is this information. Is it "hear-say" or do they have actual documentation that Torres paid for it and Torres was never reimbursed for the purchase.
Is this another way to get Felipe and Letizia involved in this scandal? Was this information public years ago or just since Inaki and Cristina ran into trouble?
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Oh, there's just gotta be a way to drag Letizia into all this, there just has to be.

That way, she'll be the only one who goes to prison while everyone else retires to their yacht.
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Oh, there's just gotta be a way to drag Letizia into all this, there just has to be.

That way, she'll be the only one who goes to prison while everyone else retires to their yacht.
If it has to do with her engagement ring she will be dragged into it The article isn't critical of her at all.
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The ring story was published more than a year ago. It was said by Diego Torres in a book, but really throughout the investigation has not shown any invoice or receipt of credit card showing that the story was true.

Carlota, an infanta does not need to have knowledge of "fiscal engineering", usually people do not have much knowledge on these issues unless you are expert in administration or tax issues. As I have said what she did was a practice that many tax consultants used because the legislation was not very clear, and years later many people have had to pay fines for the same cause.

Torres brother in law was the tax advisor of Noos and the Palma. That is, the professionals who advised them were also involved personally and professionally in all this.

Obviously Iñaki and Cristina were stupid and confident,they had easy money and did not think more. They could have sought advice on other professionals, but did not. Then Cristina is doubly guilty, because being a infanta should have made sure that everything these people did was legal.
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