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Old 04-04-2013, 12:05 PM
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Rumours are sometimes fictitious but they are a reality for those in Spain, who try to understand why members of their royal family behave like that.
What the hell were they thinking about? Are they so blinded or egocentric, focused on their own privileges. No eye for others?

Maybe there is a big kernel of thruth in those street-stories
Well for now we'll stick to the facts here on this forum,there are plenty of dedicated forums for gossip and rumours out there.
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I don't think there is too much added damage in Spain because imputing Cristina is exactly what a majority of Spaniards wanted. NOT imputing her is the greater damage.

Having said that, the added damage comes from the international coverage regarding the worldwide image, and in my opinion it is not only damaging for the monarchy but for the country as well.

It's like, who can you trust in Spain if even the King's daughter is corrupt?

On another note, I don't think this is the end of the monarchy either. Because, what is the alternative? The parties are happy to have a scapegoat deflecting from their own shortcomings, and I doubt they would agree to change the constitution for a possible elected Head of State who could possibly take away all the benefits for the ruling elite.


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Maybe some our Spanish speakers can tell us what he's saying!


Miquel Roca, padre la Constitución, defenderá a la infanta Cristina

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Miguel Roca, one of the fathers of the Spanish Constitution of 1978, will defend to the Infanta Cristina, much of the Spanish jurists believe that the proceedings against the Infanta be archived because they recognize that there is no evidence , and they consider disproportionate the resolution of judge. I also believe it. According to legal experts, the infanta should have been called as a witness but not as imputed.The spanish journalists are breaching the fundamental right to the presumption of innocence,I think that the ROyal House will demand to the journalists that has violated "the presumption of innocence " , it could end inclusive in Constitucional Tribunal or Strasburgo . I say this, because the choice of Miguel Roca of who is an expert in fundamental rights, makes me think that this is the path that will follow the royal house. I think that it will be archived and after the Infanta will denounces to the journalists
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Miquel Roca, padre la Constitución, defenderá a la infanta Cristina

YouTube translation, Miguel Roca speaking with the journalists confirms that he will defend Infanta Cristina, that he has been given the responsibility to represent the Infanta, and has already spoken with her. But giving his style and years of experience exercising his responsibility as counsel, he is also informing the media that there is nothing he can share with the public, and "there are no resolutions as this point, nothing to comment on". "I am pleased to meet with you this morning, but "will not discuss professional cases"
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Miguel Roca, one of the fathers of the Spanish Constitution of 1978, will defend to the Infanta Cristina, much of the Spanish jurists believe that the proceedings against the Infanta be archived because they recognize that there is no evidence , and they consider disproportionate the resolution of judge. I also believe it. According to legal experts, the infanta should have been called as a witness but not as imputed.The spanish journalists are breaching the fundamental right to the presumption of innocence,I think that the ROyal House will demand to the journalists that has violated "the presumption of innocence " , it could end inclusive in Constitucional Tribunal or Strasburgo . I say this, because the choice of Miguel Roca of who is an expert in fundamental rights, makes me think that this is the path that will follow the royal house. I think that it will be archived and after the Infanta will denounces to the journalists
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Cristina can't be called as a witness because as a witness she could simply make a written declaration, and the judge wouldn't have a chance to re-question her.

About the presumption of innocence and Strasbourg thing, you're simply dreaming. If she spends a single public euro to prosecute anyone the family is over.
And in anycase, I don't which journalist you are talking about. 90% of the citizens are convinced she is a thief, and talk about it freely in the street, but the press has been careful, and presumption of innocence has been perfectly preserved.
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YouTube translation, Miguel Roca speaking with the journalists confirms that he will defend Infanta Cristina, that he has been given the responsibility to represent the Infanta, and has already spoken with her. But giving his style and years of experience exercising his responsibility as counsel, he is also informing the media that there is nothing he can share with the public, and "there are no resolutions as this point, nothing to comment on". "I am pleased to meet with you this morning, but "will not discuss professional cases"
Exactly. He mostly repeats: I can say no more, I can't discuss professional cases.
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YouTube translation, Miguel Roca speaking with the journalists confirms that he will defend Infanta Cristina, that he has been given the responsibility to represent the Infanta, and has already spoken with her. But giving his style and years of experience exercising his responsibility as counsel, he is also informing the media that there is nothing he can share with the public, and "there are no resolutions as this point, nothing to comment on". "I am pleased to meet with you this morning, but "will not discuss professional cases"
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Cristina can't be called as a witness because as a witness she could simply make a written declaration, and the judge wouldn't have a chance to re-question her.

About the presumption of innocence and Strasbourg thing, you're simply dreaming. If she spends a single public euro to prosecute anyone the family is over.
And in anycase, I don't which journalist you are talking about. 90% of the citizens are convinced she is a thief, and talk about it freely in the street, but the press has been careful, and presumption of innocence has been perfectly preserved.

In centuries past when a person was hung or beheaded publicly, 90% or more of the people went out and watch the show , and many people decapitated was innocents but they were accused by 90% without evidence, and how arrived one moment in what were more publicly beheaded the inocent than guilty, was born the presumption of innocence to prevent a person would be judged socially . To my nobody asked me about the Infanta, nobody sent me papers to go to vote, who are this 90%?, the same that said that the new Pope would be 100% Canadian, or the same that said the Socialist Party would stay few seats to get a simple majority in parliament .... the law says no one can be tried without evidence against that person, the same judge said in his resolution that he has not proofs against her. Should they (90%) ask to the Infanta apologize by accuse to her without proofs, if it is archived???. My country is one democracy does not need to prove it, have not that create these artificial entertainment.
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The prosecutor presents Nóos appeal against the imputation of the Infanta Cristina


El fiscal del caso Nóos presenta el recurso contra la imputación de la infan | Realeza | Noticias hola.com
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The King's choice of lawyer clearly shows that Infanta Cristina still has full protection of Zarzuela.
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I feel so bad for cristina. she still is infanta of spain.
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I feel so bad for cristina. she still is infanta of spain.
She brought it on herself, by tolerating her husband's corruption.
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She brought it on herself, by tolerating her husband's corruption.
Couldn't agree more -it's hard to not stick by the man you love, and the father of your children, even if it might mean the possibility of criminal action in the future if you get caught. My guess is that the Infanta probably thought that there was nothing wrong. But, I do not know them, so I can not speak for them or her for that matter. It's sad to see that she is being charged on corruption charges.
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Couldn't agree more -it's hard to not stick by the man you love, and the father of your children, even if it might mean the possibility of criminal action in the future if you get caught. My guess is that the Infanta probably thought that there was nothing wrong. But, I do not know them, so I can not speak for them or her for that matter. It's sad to see that she is being charged on corruption charges.
And see, I disagree that it's sad that she's being charged. I think the situation is sad for their children, but if the allegations prove to be true, then Inaki most certainly deserves to be punished for stealing from public funds and Cristina, as a board member at Noos, was negligent if not an actual participant in the crime.

I think it's sad that a family that privileged, a family that had everything, was so selfish and entitled that they felt they could steal from the public even while people in their country suffered. I think it's good that they didn't get away with it.
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And see, I disagree that it's sad that she's being charged. I think the situation is sad for their children, but if the allegations prove to be true, then Inaki most certainly deserves to be punished for stealing from public funds and Cristina, as a board member at Noos, was negligent if not an actual participant in the crime.

I think it's sad that a family that privileged, a family that had everything, was so selfish and entitled that they felt they could steal from the public even while people in their country suffered. I think it's good that they didn't get away with it.
I agree. This woman is not a scapegoat as far as I can see.

The situation for the children is simply tragic. Their childhoods are over, and they will never be the same.
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I agree. This woman is not a scapegoat as far as I can see.

The situation for the children is simply tragic. Their childhoods are over, and they will never be the same.
Yup, and the children are the only ones I can bring myself to feel sorry for in this whole sorry mess. It's tragic what's happening to them, and they deserved better.
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I agree. This woman is not a scapegoat as far as I can see.

The situation for the children is simply tragic. Their childhoods are over, and they will never be the same.
Agree with both of you here!
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El juez suspende la declaracin de la infanta Cristina

Cristina's hearing will be on hold until there is a ruling about appeal.
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A long article in Time World
The Suspect Princess Is This Good for Spanish Democracy TIME.com
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