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Old 01-11-2013, 12:27 PM
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why? all I can read on this forum was that she was invited to a forum.
Yes and that was in 2004. I wonder how many other notable Spaniards were invited to attend a forum over the years. Are they all to be tarred and feathered?
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I don't think that the people of Spain will look at it in this light.
Exactly,it will just propel this woman further into the media spotlight and her alleged royal Rumpy Pumpy!
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It seems that the judge found some missing links in this case, among them some Swiss bank accounts:

El juez descubre la red de testaferros que Urdangarin usó para burlar al fisco | Política | EL PAÍS
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:22 AM
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The issue of Swiss accounts and tax avoidance was expected for months.

Spanish Treasury was waiting for data from Switzerland, and now they have received them, and have delivered to the judge the official report. These data demonstrate that there was tax evasion in 2007, so probably Iñaki will be charged for tax evasion. They believe that in the previous 3 years were also tax evasion, but the offense has prescribed.

Royal son-in-law told to “cover his tracks” in corruption probe email

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Old 01-12-2013, 09:30 AM
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I'm not surprised.

When will this be set for trial?

Any chance a plea deal will be offered? Is that possible in Spain?
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it is common knowledge, susan alicia, that she is "the other women" in King Juan Carlos's life, so to say. It would hardly be flowers and rainbows for the King if his mistress were mixed up with the scandal of his son-in-law. It might imply that indirectly he was involved as well, or at least he was aware of the whole thing from the start. I doubt him being involved in ANOTHER scandal would help his public image.
Exactly. The King has been promoting Inaki's business all along and it doesnt come as a surprise that as a result, Corinna can be linked to it. Whether the King knew of Inaki's criminal activities is a matter of opinion but nothing that is being investigated.

Inaki has put his Barcelona house on the market (worth 7 Mio Euros) to cover the requested 8 Mio Euros demanded by the judge to cover possible legal liabilities. The article says that the house was bought for 6 Mio Euros, Inaki & Cristina got a loan from Caixa (where Cristina works) over 5 Mio Euros for 0.5% interest and have only repaid 1.5 Mio so far.

The King refused to help out with money but promised to help finding a buyer.

Urdangarn pone en venta por siete millones su palacete tras negarse el Rey a prestarle dinero
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:40 PM
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I know that she was the other woman in his life but if someone is guilty of this it does not follow that her presence in a forum makes her and the king guilty of financial crimes. This has to be proven, you can not just assume.

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it is common knowledge, susan alicia, that she is "the other women" in King Juan Carlos's life, so to say. It would hardly be flowers and rainbows for the King if his mistress were mixed up with the scandal of his son-in-law. It might imply that indirectly he was involved as well, or at least he was aware of the whole thing from the start. I doubt him being involved in ANOTHER scandal would help his public image.
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I know that she was the other woman in his life but if someone is guilty of this it does not follow that her presence in a forum makes her and the king guilty of financial crimes. This has to be proven, you can not just assume.
No it doesn't but that's almost not the point. The king will never be investigated, because he is immune. I don't think Corinna will be investigated in and of herself, but a bunch of lawyers are now going to look up and down, inside and out at all of her involvement, even if it was just a coke and a tuna sandwich at one forum. And you'd be surprised, lawyers can turn a coke and a sandwich into hours and hours and hours of exploration and interrogation.

But for the Spanish public themselves, who have to support the idea of monarchy to keep it going, it will be a question of the king's involvement and sometimes innuendo and unexplored matters are enough to turn the tide of public opinion once and for all. The SRF will not get a presumption of innocence in regards to whether monarchy remains in Spain. It may come to the point where he has to prove his innocence with the public.

Unfortunately, it appears that the entire SRF, one way or another, was at least unwittingly involved. Whether it was Inaki who picked up a ring on an errand for Felipe as a favor and whipped out a credit card, or the King sent Corinna over to attend a forum - there are elements of the public who will assume it was much more than this.
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:15 AM
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GracieGiraffe, are two things that have no relationship and are not comparable.

Prince Felipe asked his sister to pick up the ring, and it was she who delegated in Iñaki because she was sick. We're talking about october /november 2003, although it was true that Iñaki had paid with Noos card, than there is no proof, then Noos had just started (september 2003) and was a clean organization. He could not doubt Iñaki because his business had not started. This is an anecdote.

Corinna's case is very different, this documentation shows that she was a guest on one of the forums organized by Urdangarín in novemver 2004 that are under investigation. Corinna worked for a while with the Laureus Foundation... both were moving in the same business, so the open question is whether the two collaborated most often on business and if the king supported somehow these businesses.
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Corinna's case is very different, this documentation shows that she was a guest on one of the forums organized by Urdangarín in novemver 2004 that are under investigation. Corinna worked for a while with the Laureus Foundation... both were moving in the same business, so the open question is whether the two collaborated most often on business and if the king supported somehow these businesses.
We all know that the King has been supported Inaki's business over the years, even when the King realized things went wrong he placed Inaki at Telefonica, using his connections.

I don't think the support itself is outrageous, only a support while knowing of possible criminal activities and there is no proof that this was the case.

Re Corinna, of course the King supported her business too, he showed up at Laureus which was very unlike him at the time, its more of a celebrity event that he usually stays away from, and he promoted Corinna's travel business to the degree that he travelled on various hunting trips himself and had Corinna organize his son's honeymoon itinerary.

This all is no surprise really, the King is the King of behind the scenes networking, connections, pulling some strings and doing some spin. This is what has kept him in power for so long.
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And the scandal continues growing

Diego Torres former partner of Inaki Urdangarin in Noos has delivered new emails to the judge.

In one of them, an employee talks to Corinna Sayn-Wittgenstein, who was invited to a forum of Noos in 2004.

Torres implica a Corinna en los Forum de Nos que investiga la justicia | España | elmundo.es
What more is to come?

Spain's King Juan Carlos facing embarrassment over emails - Telegraph

The linking of two royal intrigues has intensified public interest and speculation over what more could be revealed in the 200 emails Torres has threatened to unleash against the Bourbons to avoid being made a scapegoat.
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Trial to start early Feb
FEBRUARY COURT APPEARANCE FOR IÑAKI URDANGARIN | Spain | Leader - News, Sport, Spanish Property, Advertising, Classifieds - Costa Blanca, Costa del Sol, Costa Calida, Costa de Almeria, Spain
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Duke, that information is incorrect.

The Attorney General said the other day in an interview that the trial may not start until next year.

What the judge is going to announce is the civil bail (which must provide for the money defrauded). Iñaki could also be called to testify again, for the new offense of tax evasion.
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I was thinking that alright Lula,also incorrect in that article is the Duke of Palma being based in Washington!
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2012 Corruption Perceptions Index -- Results

corruption index per country, interesting.
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Duke, that information is incorrect.

The Attorney General said the other day in an interview that the trial may not start until next year.

What the judge is going to announce is the civil bail (which must provide for the money defrauded). Iñaki could also be called to testify again, for the new offense of tax evasion.

Thanks lula, maybe it was wishful thinking, I cant imagine this whole topic being dragged along for another year!
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The Balearic Anticorruption Prosecutor has requested today that Inaki Urdangarin and his former partner Diego Torres testify again before the Court of Instruction No. 3 of Palma, based on new data from the case investigating the alleged diversion of public funds to the Institute Nóos.

A tax report included in the case Nóos attributed to Iñaki Urdangarin and Diego Torres an alleged tax fraud of at least 470,000 euros in corporate taxes and personal income tax in 2007 and 2008.

La Fiscala pide que vuelvan a declarar Iaki Urdangarn y Diego Torres - ABC.es
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They are not rushing this through - a very thorough investigation. If the judiciary wanted to help the monarchy, this would be sped up, but it's not.

I hope this is a very thorough, and very objective process. If it takes another year or so, so be it (although I too would like to see resolution).

The stress on the innocents in the SRF must be enormous (and upon anyone a little less than innocent too.... ), but that would be their problem.
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the monarchy is only helped by a very thorough investigation, anything sped up would cause an outrage.

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They are not rushing this through - a very thorough investigation. If the judiciary wanted to help the monarchy, this would be sped up, but it's not.
I hope this is a very thorough, and very objective process. If it takes another year or so, so be it (although I too would like to see resolution).

The stress on the innocents in the SRF must be enormous (and upon anyone a little less than innocent too.... ), but that would be their problem.
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Inaki Urdangarin will testify before the judge on February 23 for alleged tax fraud

Urdangarin volverá a declarar ante el juez Castro el 23 de febrero » Local » Noticias » Ultima Hora Mallorca
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