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Old 05-31-2015, 02:20 PM
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Froilan seems to have always been a problem child. I once saw a photo of him in complete meltdown mode on a public sidewalk when he was a toddler, his mother was trying unsuccessfully to get him under control.

Then there was his famous flipout at Felipe and Letizia's wedding, where he kicked another child and was taken to the sacristy for the remainder of the ceremony.

He is rumored to be King Juan Carlos's favorite, btw.
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Old 05-31-2015, 03:08 PM
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It is just a wild water whom will settle down when getting older. That is all. Not all boys behave like angels, nothing new under the sun.
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Old 05-31-2015, 03:17 PM
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There is a being difference between not being an angel and acting like a spoiled entitled racist little lordling in public.
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Old 05-31-2015, 03:21 PM
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From Bekia on this most ugly incident

Felipe Juan Froilán intenta colarse en una atracción y llama "puto chino" a un chico en el Parque de Atracciones de Madrid - Bekia

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Old 05-31-2015, 04:20 PM
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If the law of succession to the throne was equal for men and women, today Elena would be the Queen of Spain and Froilan heir.

Froilan have thought it?
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Old 05-31-2015, 11:26 PM
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When I look at his past, plus school problems, etc. I believe he has ADHD. What do I know about ADHD? I just had 3 children with it and the symptoms fit.
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Old 05-31-2015, 11:35 PM
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ADHD is an explanation not an excuse for his behavior.
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Old 05-31-2015, 11:52 PM
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If the law of succession to the throne was equal for men and women, today Elena would be the Queen of Spain and Froilan heir.

Froilan have thought it?
Is there any reason for Froilan to concern himself with the throne he will never ascend? There are no ifs in this situation. Infanta Elena and her children are not the members of the Spanish royal family.

Froilan should be disciplined in an appropriate way.
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Old 06-01-2015, 01:13 AM
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Personally, I'm still on the poorly raised team. He's always been a bit of a handful (presumably very spoiled – being the eldest son, first grandchild etc.) – perhaps Elena and Jaime have overcompensated and been a bit too overbearing with him following their divorce and that has led him to believe that he has every right to act the way he does. If Felipe's parents had firmly dismissed this sort of bratty behaviour from the very beginning, it wouldn't have been an issue now (unless, of course, there's some sort of psychiatric disorder involved).

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ADHD is an explanation not an excuse for his behavior.
But if he has ADHD, his parents have failed in not providing him with the help necessary for him to live with it – thus making it their fault, not his. While I don't believe anyone have excused his behaviour, he shouldn't be held accountable for his parents' actions (or lack of such).
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Old 06-01-2015, 02:24 AM
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Everything about his behavior - kicking another child at the wedding when he was what 5 or 6? Failing out of school despite what I assume is the best of tutors and likely the most lenient of grading for a grandson of a king to keep him at that school. Now we have what can only have been an irrational rage that caused him to call another kid a "[blank] Chinese" because he does not have the ability to deal with things and wait. Put all of this together and we have, at the very least, ADHD, and corresponding sensory integration dysfunction.

I agree that if he needed an intervention and did not get it, the blame squarely lies with this parents. And hopefully, if this is the case, this is a big wake up call to get him some help.
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Everything about his behavior - kicking another child at the wedding when he was what 5 or 6? Failing out of school despite what I assume is the best of tutors and likely the most lenient of grading for a grandson of a king to keep him at that school. Now we have what can only have been an irrational rage that caused him to call another kid a "[blank] Chinese" because he does not have the ability to deal with things and wait. Put all of this together and we have, at the very least, ADHD, and corresponding sensory integration dysfunction.



I agree that if he needed an intervention and did not get it, the blame squarely lies with this parents. And hopefully, if this is the case, this is a big wake up call to get him some help.

I agree with you that he needs some help. But I have the feeling from what I've read that this royal family wouldn't admit to a problem in anyone in the family. Some members ( not all ) do think they are above everyone else JMO
But a lot of parents find it hard to accept their child might have a problem This is a shame, early intervention can really help.


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Old 06-02-2015, 04:32 AM
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Although the behavior seems appaling at this event, it does not mean that he has some sort of disfunction. I am sure that at any schoolyard you can hear simular appaling insults every day. His parents and teachers will know if this behavior is a one-off or representative for a general character trait. If the latter is the case I am sure they will find him help, but not every obnoxious teenager remark means that somebody has a disorder or is completely out of control.

To say that his parents raised him poorly just based on this example and a kick 10 years ago is somewhat premature. Let's hope that his parents and perhaps a teacher had a good talk with him after they heard about the incident. I think that we should be careful not to be too judgemental and harsh about minors.

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Spain's royal bad boy has hit the headlines again after shouting racist abuse at a teenage boy who criticised him for attempting to jump the queue at a Madrid theme park.
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Old 06-02-2015, 09:17 AM
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Agree Marengo. It seems to me it has more to do with a character trait... IIRC even when Froilan was still very young used to have these outburst. For instance, I remember he kicked someone at his uncle's wedding... At that time I didn't pay much attention but I think now it might be a insight on his behaviour....
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I was surprised to see that he's 16 (and soon 17). He looks a few years younger than that.

My guess is that he's an immature kid, who may be turbulent by nature. Apart from the media scrutiny and family dramas, it must be very tough to figure out your place in the world when you're treated as a royal (or told the rules don't apply to you) one minute, then told to go to the back of the line the next.

It doesn't excuse his bad behavior, but it might explain it. I imagine being young Froilan isn't always easy.
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I agree. There have been many incidents over the years, Huffington Post has put on a timeline:
-2004: he kicked his cousin during the wedding of F&L
-2010: he gave some reporters the finger
-2011: shooting himself in the foot
-2013: giving his cousin Pablo a headbutt & fighting with a friend
-2013: advertisment for a night club in Madrid
-2014: during the abdication process pulling faces while on a mobile phone
-2014: failure at school for the 2nd time
-2014: pretended to have found a rolex watch that turned out to be fake
-2015: insulting the chinese boy

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Those things don't sound that different from the nonsense a lot of boys get into. He just has the bad fortune to be doing this stuff in front of the media (and sometimes at high-profile events).

It's kind of ironic that Elena, who is usually praised for her conduct and discretion, has a son who gets into trouble, while her sister, whose personal behavior is questionable, has three sons who don't seem to get into mischief.
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Was there a video? I thought I read that there was a video. We have no idea if the things we read about Felipe and the other members of the family are true or not unless there is actual footage or documentation. I'm not defending any of his actions if they are his actions, but I think it's worth reminding everyone to take the things the press writes with a grain of salt. If anyone has access to the video, please share.

Now, assuming all of the "incidents" we've read about are true, I have to say that I agree with kalnel. Nothing on that list of "incidents" seems much different than the trouble "normal" kids get into at his age. The problem is he is not a "normal" kid and he is old enough to know that he has a responsibility to protect the image of the monarchy even though he does not have an official role. I think if he really cares about the monarchy he will mature into his role.
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I agree. There have been many incidents over the years, Huffington Post has put on a timeline:
-2004: he kicked his cousin during the wedding of F&L
-2010: he gave some reporters the finger
-2011: shooting himself in the foot
-2013: giving his cousin Pablo a headbutt & fighting with a friend
-2013: advertisment for a night club in Madrid
-2014: during the abdication process pulling faces while on a mobile phone
-2014: failure at school for the 2nd time
-2014: pretended to have found a rolex watch that turned out to be fake
-2015: insulting the chinese boy

Los hits de Froilán: de la patada al "¡tú cállate, puto chino!"
Did that article say that he actually tried to stab Pablo with a kebab stick after headbutting him?
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Those things don't sound that different from the nonsense a lot of boys get into. He just has the bad fortune to be doing this stuff in front of the media (and sometimes at high-profile events).

It's kind of ironic that Elena, who is usually praised for her conduct and discretion, has a son who gets into trouble, while her sister, whose personal behavior is questionable, has three sons who don't seem to get into mischief.
I disagree. That list is VERY telling and it is definitely NOT in any way normal, especially not normal for a boy his age. He shows every sign of being spoilt, indulged and undisciplined. I'm not going to diagnose anything since I'm not a doctor but this kid needs to be reigned in right now. In a couple of years he will be in his 20s and his peers at that age will not put up with him and his antics.
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