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Old 03-11-2019, 04:55 PM
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So that’s Why the Wessexes weren’t at the commonwealth event today. I kept wondering.



Regarding the title? Honestly Forfar is a far better choice than what Harry got stuck with. Might explain why Harry got stuck with the dumbo name, Her Majesty was saving the better name for her son.

But I do wonder about this second Earldom, I hope it does not mean plans have changed for the Duke of Edinburgh title. IMO Edward and Sophie have proven their worth and deserve such the honor.
Granted though, it is a unique honor! I don't think any other royal child in modern history has been granted another title when not on their wedding day.
What is wrong with the title Earl of Dumbarton (1675) in comparison with the title Earl of Forfar (1661)? Both have roughly the same anciennity. The first creations of both earldoms went to a nobleman of the clan Douglas. I fail to see why the one is a "dumbo name" and the other not.

In 1987 Princess Anne was bestowed the title Princess Royal. The first one was Mary of Nassau née Stuart, The Princess of Orange, The Princess Royal (1642). Before Anne only six princesses were bestowed that title. None of them got it on the wedding day.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:47 PM
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And Welsh not?
No, and I suspect that is because England has always regarded Wales as part of England despite it being an older country.
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:41 PM
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Here's the official notice from the British Monarchy Website: https://www.royal.uk/title-earl-wessex. No additional subsidiary titles are mentioned.
Thanks for the confirmation - thought that would be the case, though wanted to double check!
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Old 03-11-2019, 08:29 PM
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Court Circular 11th March:
The Earl of Wessex, Trustee, The Duke of Edinburgh's Award, this morning held a Meeting.

The Countess of Wessex this morning attended a Breakfast Meeting at the Residence of the United Kingdom Permanent Representative to the United Nations (Her Excellency Dame Karen Pierce) in New York City, United States of America.

Her Royal Highness later attended the Opening Ceremony of Commission on the Status of Women at the United Nations Headquarters, 405 East 42nd Street, New York City.

The Countess of Wessex this afternoon attended the United Kingdom's Non-Governmental Organisation's Reception given by the United Kingdom Permanent Representative to the United Nations at the United Kingdom Mission to the United Nations, One Dag Hammarskjold Plaza, 885 Second Avenue, New York City.

Her Royal Highness later received Ms. Esther Dingemans (Director, the Dr. Mukwege Foundation) and Ms. Elizabeth Bohard (Co-Director, Nadia's Initiative) at the Residence of the United Kingdom Permanent Representative to the United Nations.

The Countess of Wessex afterwards received Ms. Pramila Patten (United Nations Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict) at the United Nations Headquarters.

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Old 03-12-2019, 03:04 AM
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What is wrong with the title Earl of Dumbarton (1675) in comparison with the title Earl of Forfar (1661)? Both have roughly the same anciennity. The first creations of both earldoms went to a nobleman of the clan Douglas. I fail to see why the one is a "dumbo name" and the other not.

In 1987 Princess Anne was bestowed the title Princess Royal. The first one was Mary of Nassau née Stuart, The Princess of Orange, The Princess Royal (1642). Before Anne only six princesses were bestowed that title. None of them got it on the wedding day.
Because to me personally one sounds silly and the other only slightly so.
And when the title was first created is of little meaning to me when it gets recreated.

I was referring to titles such as: duke & earl, and so on; the Princess Royal title while lovely is a unique creation specific to elder daughters of the monarch only, and is not a title that will be passed on to Anne’s daughter. Given it’s uniqueness overall, and the fact that at times a future princess royal may be born while her predecessor is still be alive, I do not consider it as part of the title granting I noted in my previous post.
So Princess Royal title aside, has there ever been - mainly in modern time- a second title (duke, earl and such) granted post marriage to a monarch child? (One that was not received because the forebear died, like with George V becoming PoW.
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:12 AM
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has there ever been - mainly in modern time- a second title (duke, earl and such) granted post marriage to a monarch child? (One that was not received because the forebear died, like with George V becoming PoW.
Interesting question so I looked it up but couldn't find any (perhaps someone else can). Here's the list of titles:

Queen Victoria's younger sons (given titles pre-marriage)
Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Ulster, and Earl of Kent
Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn, Earl of Sussex
Prince Leopold, Duke of Albany, Earl of Clarence and Baron Arklow

King Edward VII had no younger sons during his reign

King George V's younger sons (given titles pre-marriage)
Prince Albert, Duke of York, Earl of Inverness and Baron Killarney
Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, Earl of Ulster, and Baron Culloden
Prince George, Duke of Kent, Earl of St Andrews, and Baron Downpatrick

King George VI had no sons

Queen Elizabeth II's younger sons (given titles on marriage)
Prince Andrew, Duke of York, Earl of Inverness, and Baron Killyleagh
Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex

So Prince Edward has been given fewer titles than any recent younger sons of monarchs. Perhaps that's why the Queen wanted to give him another one at age 55.
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:18 AM
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Interesting question so I looked it up but couldn't find any (perhaps someone else can). Here's the list of titles:

Queen Victoria's younger sons (given titles pre-marriage)
Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Ulster, and Earl of Kent
Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn, Earl of Sussex
Prince Leopold, Duke of Albany, Earl of Clarence and Baron Arklow

King Edward VII had no younger sons during his reign

King George V's younger sons (given titles pre-marriage)
Prince Albert, Duke of York, Earl of Inverness and Baron Killarney
Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, Earl of Ulster, and Baron Culloden
Prince George, Duke of Kent, Earl of St Andrews, and Baron Downpatrick

King George VI had no sons

Queen Elizabeth II's younger sons (given titles on marriage)
Prince Andrew, Duke of York, Earl of Inverness, and Baron Killyleagh
Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex

So Prince Edward has been given fewer titles than any recent younger sons of monarchs. Perhaps that's why the Queen wanted to give him another one at age 55.
Don't forget Prince Edward was also given Viscount Severn at the same time as Earl of Wessex on his wedding day in 1999.


I found one instance of what I believe you were talking about above:

The Prince of Wales (the future King Edward VII) was made Earl of Dublin September 10, 1849.
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Old 03-12-2019, 10:29 AM
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Yes I should have added Viscount Severn as a subsidiary title - I just wrote that one from memory & forgot he had it!

Re: the Prince of Wales - I wasn't looking at the eldest sons & the poster "evolvingdoors" posed a question related to additional titles given post-marriage. It's an interesting find though.
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Old 03-12-2019, 11:01 AM
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As far as Harrys subsidiary title is regarded it's in the way the word is pronounced. I have never heard of the town of Dumbarton being spoken of as Dumb Barton. In my experience it's always been pronounced DumBarton, with the emphasis on the barton. Therefore there's nothing 'dumb' about it as far as I can see.
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Old 03-12-2019, 11:35 AM
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As far as Harrys subsidiary title is regarded it's in the way the word is pronounced. I have never heard of the town of Dumbarton being spoken of as Dumb Barton. In my experience it's always been pronounced DumBarton, with the emphasis on the barton. Therefore there's nothing 'dumb' about it as far as I can see.
Yes it's dumBARTon & there's also Dumfries pronounced dumFREECE. I'm just laughing now at the notion some people might think it sounds like Dumb Fries.
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Old 03-13-2019, 06:38 AM
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The Palace shared a copy of the speech the Countess of Wessex has held at the Commission on the Status of Women at the UN in New York City yesterday:


** royal.uk: The Countess of Wessex gives a speech at the Commission on the Status of Women (CSW), UN, New York **


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** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 **



And a copy of her speech at the Commonwealth Day Reception at the Joint Office of the Commonwealth:


** royal.uk: The Countess of Wessex’s speech at the Commonwealth Day Reception at the Joint Office of the Commonwealth **
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Old 03-13-2019, 04:57 PM
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Will Edward be 1st Earl of Forfar or 3rd Earl of Forfar?
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Old 03-13-2019, 05:12 PM
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Will Edward be 1st Earl of Forfar or 3rd Earl of Forfar?
He is the First Earl of the second creation of the title.
The numbering starts when a title is created or recreated and isn't inherited from an eventual earlier creation.
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Old 03-13-2019, 09:05 PM
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Court Circular 12th March:
The Earl of Wessex, Trustee, The Duke of Edinburgh's Award, this morning attended a Meeting at Gulliver House, Madeira Walk, Windsor, Berkshire.

The Countess of Wessex this morning attended a Breakfast Meeting on women, peace and security at the Residence of the United Kingdom Permanent Representative to the United Nations (Her Excellency Dame Karen Pierce) in New York City, United States of America.

Her Royal Highness later attended a Conference on peace, security and human rights at the United Nations Headquarters, 405 East 42nd Street, New York City.

The Countess of Wessex afterwards attended a Roundtable Discussion on the "Future of Women's Leadership" at the United Nations Headquarters.

Her Royal Highness this afternoon attended a Lunch with the Baroness Hodgson of Abinger (Co-Chairman, All-Party Parliamentary Group on Women, Peace and Security) at the United Kingdom Mission to the United Nations, One Dag Hammarskjold Plaza, 885 Second Avenue, New York City.

The Countess of Wessex later attended a Meeting with the Dr. Denis Mukwege Foundation at the United Nations Headquarters.

Her Royal Highness this evening attended a Reception to mark Commonwealth Day, 800 2nd Avenue, New York City.

The Countess of Wessex later departed from John F. Kennedy International Airport, New York City, for the United Kingdom.

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Court Circular 13th March:
The Earl of Wessex, Chairman of the Board of Trustees, The Duke of Edinburgh’s International Award Foundation, this morning held a Meeting.

The Countess of Wessex this morning arrived at Heathrow Airport, London from the United States of America.
Mr Alexander Stonor and Mrs Angus Galletley were in attendance.

Court Circular 14th March:
The Earl of Wessex this afternoon visited Bradford Synagogue, 7A Bowland Street, Bradford, and was received by Her Majesty's Lord-Lieutenant of West Yorkshire (Mr. Edmund Anderson).

His Royal Highness, Patron, later attended a Dinner at the Headquarters of Northern Ballet, Quarry Hill, Leeds.

The Earl of Wessex, Patron, Northern Ballet, this evening attended a performance of "Victoria" at Leeds Grand Theatre, 46 New Briggate, Leeds.
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Old 03-14-2019, 03:21 PM
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Today, March 14, the Earl of Wessex visited the Bradford Synagogue in Yorkshire:


** thetelegraphandargus: Prince Edward says synagogue's multi-faith work is "fantastic" **


As Patron of the Northern Ballet Theatre he attended a performance at Leeds Grand Theatre, followed by a dinner at Northern Ballet Headquarters.
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Old 03-14-2019, 07:21 PM
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As far as Harrys subsidiary title is regarded it's in the way the word is pronounced. I have never heard of the town of Dumbarton being spoken of as Dumb Barton. In my experience it's always been pronounced DumBarton, with the emphasis on the barton. Therefore there's nothing 'dumb' about it as far as I can see.
Very true. An interesting fact is that the town of DuMbarton is in the county of DuNbarton.
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The Earl of Wessex visited Pland Stainless Ltd in Leeds today, March 15:


** Pic ** buildersmerchantsjournal: Pland Stainless Centenary attracts Royal Guest **


And as President of Sport and Recreation Alliance he attended The Community Sport and Recreation Alliance Awards at Edgbaston Stadium in Edgbaston, Birmingham:


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I admit to being poorly informed about horses. That's a Fell Pony, right? And do we know that he actually owns any horses?

I give him big props for this recreation at this stage of his life.
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Old 03-19-2019, 08:02 PM
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Court Circular 18th March:
The Earl of Wessex, Chairman of the Board of Trustees, The Duke of Edinburgh's International Award Foundation, this morning attended Workshops at Award House, 7 - 11 St. Matthew Street, London SW1.

His Royal Highness, Chairman of the Board of Trustees, The Duke of Edinburgh's International Award Foundation, this afternoon held a Meeting at Award House.

The Earl of Wessex, Chairman of the Board of Trustees, The Duke of Edinburgh's International Award Foundation, this evening attended a Dinner at the House of Lords, London SW1.
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