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Old 08-25-2013, 03:39 PM
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I think if this story proves accurate it will actually help their respective images, and the RF as a whole. The majority of comments on the stories, even on The Daily Mail, are very positive (though there are plenty of negative ones too, as to be expected with all things royal) with most people saying 'It's happily ever after time' or 'Go for it Andy!' or 'They always loved each other' or 'That's true love for you' and the like.

Love them or hate them this IS a good news story.
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Old 08-25-2013, 03:46 PM
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As long as she does not become a working member of the BRF and he gives up all his public positions as a member of the BRF they can go ahead and marry, but my personal belief is that she is the same person she was in 1986 and in 1992 and has not changed at all or learned anything from her past except to expect Andrew and friends to always be there to bail her out. I do not want her back as an official HRH working member of the family and would lose some respect for the family if they allowed it to happen.
If she is content to be kept by Andrew and to keep her mouth shut I see no reason for her not to continue as they are, although I do wish she were seen less often in public with her daughters or her ex husband because I do believe that damages their images.
If she ever did really want to make an independent life for herself she should have stayed in the US where she seems to still have some measure of popularity and acceptance.
She's accepted in the US, but mostly forgotten, I think. The cash-for-access scandal was the last time I recall seeing or hearing anything about her in the US media. I don't really see her being much of a draw for anyone.

I think remarrying might be a good idea - not only because I think it would be nice for them to find happiness together again, but also because I think having her back in the royal family fold might provide her with some stability that would hopefully keep her a bit steadier.
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:01 PM
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Much as I dislike this woman, I guess if they are still in love, then they should get back together.
It may be the start of the Duke of York's withdrawal from public life, and an increase in the profile of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie?
As I'm a bit of a novice to the forum, I'd like to see the evidence of the Duke of Edinburgh's disdain for Fergie - I find it difficult to imagine that she would be invited to the annual holiday in Balmoral if he harbours an intense dislike for her, especially when it is his first trip after his recent illness.
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:02 PM
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I think if this story proves accurate it will actually help their respective images, and the RF as a whole. The majority of comments on the stories, even on The Daily Mail, are very positive (though there are plenty of negative ones too, as to be expected with all things royal) with most people saying 'It's happily ever after time' or 'Go for it Andy!' or 'They always loved each other' or 'That's true love for you' and the like.

Love them or hate them this IS a good news story.
I noticed all the positive comments as well. I think it's because pretty much everyone thinks Andrew and Sarah are a good match, whether they like them or not. Overall, I think an Andrew-Sarah remarriage would be a good news story more than anything else. Afterwards, it would be back to the same old headlines, but I don't think that will change whether or not they remarry.

I actually think the Telegraph story is more speculation than anything else, in the sense that no actual remarriage is being planned. I think these stories are emerging because Sarah and Andrew spend so much time together that people are assuming they are a couple, and they aren't really going out of their way to change people's minds. (They were in India together in March; out to dinner together in April and July; at Balmoral this month and now apparently in Spain as a family.) So it makes sense that, even if some "friends" say nothing is going on, other "friends" might think it's "only a matter of time."
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:03 PM
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Good Post Suztab. I have to agree
The Royal Family is not perfect and they all have their faults and all have made some mistakes and some have things to embarrass the Family. That what make them more Likeable In my opinion, They are all Humans like the rest of us and like any family they have their fair share of faults, Mistakes and Problems. They are not perfect. Royals going back many Centuries have all made mistakes or done things that embarrass the Royal Family and had some faults.

The only difference is that they are in the spotlight.
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Much as I dislike this woman, I guess if they are still in love, then they should get back together.
It may be the start of the Duke of York's withdrawal from public life, and an increase in the profile of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie?
As I'm a bit of a novice to the forum, I'd like to see the evidence of the Duke of Edinburgh's disdain for Fergie - I find it difficult to imagine that she would be invited to the annual holiday in Balmoral if he harbours an intense dislike for her, especially when it is his first trip after his recent illness.
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I would like to know the full story between Sarah and Prince Philip also. It one thing no to like someone but some make seen that Philip has a intense hatred of Sarah.
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:08 PM
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As I'm a bit of a novice to the forum, I'd like to see the evidence of the Duke of Edinburgh's disdain for Fergie - I find it difficult to imagine that she would be invited to the annual holiday in Balmoral if he harbours an intense dislike for her, especially when it is his first trip after his recent illness.
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Sarah was invited to Balmoral with Andrew for a weekend, I believe, before the DOE arrived.
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:09 PM
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She's accepted in the US, but mostly forgotten, I think. The cash-for-access scandal was the last time I recall seeing or hearing anything about her in the US media. I don't really see her being much of a draw for anyone.

I think remarrying might be a good idea - not only because I think it would be nice for them to find happiness together again, but also because I think having her back in the royal family fold might provide her with some stability that would hopefully keep her a bit steadier.
Considering the scandals our politicians, military officers and bank CEO's manage to get involved in here in the US there is nothing Fergie has done or could do in the future that would match that. She does not even register on the "scandal-meter".
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:15 PM
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Sarah was invited to Balmoral with Andrew for a weekend, I believe, before the DOE arrived.
Ah yes - thank-you - I've just read this article.
Has Fergie been let back into the fold? Duchess of York heads to Balmoral after landing at Aberdeen airport | Mail Online
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:27 PM
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C'mon, people. Sarah isn't Wallis Simpson, and even if she was this is no longer 1937 and Andrew isn't all that high in the succession anymore.

If Sarah and Andrew wish to resume their relationship (or have already done so) that is their right as two consenting adults. If they wish to get remarried - either with or without the Queen's approval - that is also their right, although legality does come into question if they do so without HM's approval.

If the Queen does consent to such a marriage then there is absolutely no reason to deny Sarah an HRH, prevent her from undertaking any royal duties should she wish to do so, have Andrew fade away from public life, or exile the two of them from Britain. As the Queen's cousins have shown, and for that matter as Anne has shown, it is entirely possible for an active royal to be married to someone who doesn't entirely embrace the royal life. As Camilla has shown it is entirely possible for a previously scandalous women to marry into the family and (with a good PR campaign of course) do well within it.

I don't know if this report is true and should be credited in any way, but if it is good for them. And, personally, if the two of them wanted to get married again and didn't simply because the DoE didn't approve then it's my opinion that the DoE needs to grow up a bit. No one's perfect, and standing in the way of your son's happiness is simply an immature move that can divide his family. He doesn't have to like Sarah, but he should respect that she's the mother of his grandchildren and (if these reports are true) the woman his son loves.
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:32 PM
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I actually have a magazine article somewhere in my "archives" from before their 1986 wedding. In it was a quote from an anonymous "high court official" that I thought at the time was quite cruel yet instructive in hindsight. That official, whose initials I now believe were M.C. said (and this is a direct quote) that he "gave the marriage five years at most. After all, she's only the daughter of the stable boy." With that kind of attitude from the Palace staff it was hardly any wonder that Sarah felt they weren't giving her any support or respect. They weren't.
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:48 PM
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I always thought they would remarry after Prince Philip died. We will all have to patiently wait for things to unfold. May they do what is best for them.
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:54 PM
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Wasn't there a Koo Stark in Andrew's post divorce life? The company he has kept has not been what one might call "nice".

Koo Stark was his girlfriend before he married but she was deemed unsuitable due to the 'soft-porn' film she made. They have remained friends.
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Old 08-25-2013, 05:05 PM
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I would like to know the full story between Sarah and Prince Philip also. It one thing no to like someone but some make seen that Philip has a intense hatred of Sarah.
I remember reading that it's because Philip himself was once a married man on duty in the Royal Navy, and the idea of a man-especially his own son- being cuckolded by his wife while serving his country was/is just too much for him. That's one of the reasons for his abiding anger.

I do understand his point there.

Still, his son is a grown man. If he has been willing to move past it, I don't know why Philip cannot. He didn't seem to hold such bitterness toward Diana, who committed adultery as often or even more than Sarah did.
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Old 08-25-2013, 05:27 PM
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I think the media are the ones that has carried Prince Philip's hatred for Sarah all these years. I somehow think people are holding on to those old feelings from the past. I don't think he have really bad feelings for her today.
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Old 08-25-2013, 05:43 PM
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The probability of a re-marriage has been a distinct possibility for many long years.

Sarah's behaviour in the past was sometimes unacceptable, I agree. However, she was no better nor no worse than some other family members in the past, or even Sophie who was also 'caught out' by a journalist posing as Sheik with Sophie giving insider information about the royals in an effort to get his business for her company (500,000 pounds was in the offing) and make money (2001). Without defending or condemning either woman I nevertheless ask, why has Sarah alone sustained so much continuing contempt and abuse? Earlier, royals behaving in a decidely un-royal and decidedly questionable manner, had the cover and benefit of an unobtrusive and much more respectful press.

I rather like Sarah, always have, and so, it's apparent, does the Queen, for whom there's ample evidence of her forgiving and understanding nature.

I wish Andrew and Sarah the very best, particularly if they re-marry. These two have been victims of media harassment, half-truths and character assassination for many years - in Andrew's case because he had pulling power and influence beyond that of big international conglomerates in the oil-rich countries which infuriated them (they certainly did a successful PR job on him!) - in Sarah's case because she became a punching-bag for royalty's critics who used her as a 'whipping boy' and visited of all of royalty's imagined 'ills' on her, and often in an unspeakably cruel manner. So it was for Princess Michael of Kent till Fergie came along, or Princess Margaret till Princess Michael came. So it’s possibly going to be for Prince Harry, I fear, in a few years' time. The script is unfolding even as we watch from the sidelines. The people who inhabit the close margins of royalty, unless they are very quiet and lead almost monastic lives, are sitting ducks, which makes for easy fodder for the gutter press.

Might I suggest that those intent on besmirching Sarah or merely repeating the worst of the tabloid headlines do some private research on the matter. My family owns an extensive archive of the royal family going back nearly 100 years, and it's patently obvious how prejudiced and sometimes blatantly destructive, for mere destruction's sake, the gutter press can often be - and for the 'best' of motives - to arouse indignation and ire and to sell more newspapers. At the very least, we can all take a leaf from Her Majesty's book and accept Sarah for who she is - the dearly loved mother of two daughters and the loved, close friend and confidant of an erstwhile husband. Personally, I'd rather give credence to her family's opinion of her than the tabloids', any day.
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I actually have a magazine article somewhere in my "archives" from before their 1986 wedding. In it was a quote from an anonymous "high court official" that I thought at the time was quite cruel yet instructive in hindsight. That official, whose initials I now believe were M.C. said (and this is a direct quote) that he "gave the marriage five years at most. After all, she's only the daughter of the stable boy." With that kind of attitude from the Palace staff it was hardly any wonder that Sarah felt they weren't giving her any support or respect. They weren't.
I remember that comment. I wonder if that particular courtier is still around today and if so, how does he feel about Sophie Wessex being the daughter of a tire salesman and Catherine Cambridge-future queen no less-the child of an airline hostess??

There is really no doubt in my mind that at least some of the contempt Sarah was subjected to at BP was because her family was not part of the ancient aristocracy like Diana's.

Idiot snobs.
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I find it intriguing that MAJESTY MAGAZINE has been promoting this story for the last 24 hours on Facebook. That's where I first saw it. The article is written by one of its regular contributors and managing editor, Joe Little. During the War of the Waleses, Diana was slyly degraded by Ingrid Seward. During the PR push for Camilla after Diana's death, MAJESTY ran flattering articles about the future Duchess of Cornwall. IOW MAJESTY seems to take the Palace line in things and has very good sources. Therefore, I think that this news wouldn't have come out unless someone very high up wanted it to. That's why I give this report more credence than if it had appeared from another source.

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Old 08-25-2013, 05:59 PM
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Brilliant post Polly. ICAM with every word.

Sarah's honeymoon with the media-I remember it well-was a very brief one. For whatever reason when they turned on her it was with a cruelty that made me shudder. The gleeful viciousness of tabloids like the now defunct "News Of The World" in particular was shameful. Sarah made it easy for them and deserved some of the criticism.

But most of it she did not deserve at all.

It's always been that way, it seems. The press picks out their "darlings" in the BRF-usually a photographic Royal who helps them sell their publications-then they single out scapegoats for ridicule and cruelty.

Today-the media darlings are the Cambridges, the scapegoats are the Yorks. Look how they treated Beatrice for wearing that ill-advised fascinator to William's wedding. Did it warrant all the personal attacks on Beatrice that it drew??
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Good points Mermaid1962, I agree. Especially about Seward and her tactics. I have never truly cared for her since.

MAJESTY is one of the "serious" Royal publications. The fact that this story originated there is intriguing.
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