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Old 08-25-2013, 01:51 PM
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Listen, none of these folks are without fault. Diana had incredible cunning, but died in an awfully tragic way because she wanted and needed to be adored and finally found someone who was willing to do that in return for some trophy-boyfriend status (which, IMHO, he certainly didn't need ... whatever!) You have Charles, heir to the throne, on tape clearly stating that he wouldn't mind being a tampon for his mistress. You have Camilla who was a long-standing mistress. You have Harry who is shown in a photo skinny dipping in Las Vegas.

I think we're a little beyond pointing a finger at "who can be the biggest embarrassment" ...

I say let's give Andrew and Sarah another "legal" shot at what is most likely still a marriage and love match.
Good Post Suztab. I have to agree
The Royal Family is not perfect and they all have their faults and all have made some mistakes and some have things to embarrass the Family. That what make them more Likeable In my opinion, They are all Humans like the rest of us and like any family they have their fair share of faults, Mistakes and Problems. They are not perfect. Royals going back many Centuries have all made mistakes or done things that embarrass the Royal Family and had some faults.

The only difference is that they are in the spotlight.
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Old 08-25-2013, 01:57 PM
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The Daily Mail's royal correspondent posted this on Twitter today. So...was the Telegraph story just a slow news day, or is there something more to it that Sarah's spokesman is denying?

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The fact they still live together intrigues people but friends say they've always got on brilliantly & just want to do best for their girls
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Friends who've seen her recently say it's not the case,while her spokesman tells me: There's no truth in it at all. They are best of friends
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Much as I would love the story claiming @SarahTheDuchess and @TheDukeOfYork are back together again, I am as sure as I can be it's not true
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Old 08-25-2013, 02:00 PM
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I suppose the only question I have is that if it's true that the Duke and Duchess of York have basically continued to live as man and wife for much of the time since their divorce almost 20 years ago...why change things now?

I could see the point of remarriage if their children were still small. Now?

Not so much. Why not just keep things as they are if they are both content? Surely they must both realize the headaches, the awkwardness that they are both in for as a remarried couple within the BRF.....
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Old 08-25-2013, 02:01 PM
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So many royals over the years have been poster children for bad behavior and there's no reason to single Sarah out from the group as the black sheep whose actions are totally irreparable and unforgivable who must be forever punished. As two consenting adults, if both Andrew and Sarah have reached a stage where they find that life is better with each other than without, and want to make their relationship legal, good for them. There is a lot that binds them together, and I'd say their relationship after the divorce has withstood the passage of time. If they can rekindle their marriage again with the wisdom of years and the same level of care, maturity and responsibility that they imparted to the excellent upbringing of their children, I'd say there's a very good chance that they'll succeed. I'm sure whatever their future roles and functions are in the royal family can be ironed out and well looked at if any marriage does take place.

And there's always that sweet saying to abide by: "Love is lovelier the second time around."
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Old 08-25-2013, 02:19 PM
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And there's always that sweet saying to abide by: "Love is lovelier the second time around."
Sure, and hopefully Sarah will find that with some rich American who will sweep her off her feet and bring her back to live with him in America where she is much more popular and acceptable than she is in her homeland.
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^^^Well, she's certainly made the attempt over the years and hasn't found anyone else by this time, so I think chances are she's meant to be with Andrew and vice versa.
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From my perspective, it is well if divorced couples see their way to remarriage. Not that I counsel quick plunging into a remarriage, but they have thought about it for how many years? The Queen, as head of the C of E, should support that decision unless she knows more about it than we do. The D of E is not head of the Church of England, and his animosity is not worth considering. We are not privy to what kind of counseling they have received. I hope it is really good counseling if they are to embark on a new relationship. To think this would embarrass the RF is not correct. It is an embarrassment that they are NOT rewed under the circumstances. In older, more strictly moral days, they would HAVE to remarry if they live in the same "building".
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Old 08-25-2013, 03:07 PM
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Rebecca English's Twitter disputing the story (a story her own newspaper, The Daily Mail has published in chorus with the rest of the British media) doesn't sway my speculation, rather it confirms the brilliant assertion that this story (and the previous Balmoral ones) were testing the waters from a PR standpoint.

For one thing, her claim that Sarah's spokespeople have denied it appears to be off the record since they declined to comment on the Telegraph Mandrake story. If this story really wasn't accurate we'd be seeing swift denials from one or both of them. And we're not.

I really hope all of this speculation turns out to be accurate. I would love a comeback.
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As long as she does not become a working member of the BRF and he gives up all his public positions as a member of the BRF they can go ahead and marry, but my personal belief is that she is the same person she was in 1986 and in 1992 and has not changed at all or learned anything from her past except to expect Andrew and friends to always be there to bail her out. I do not want her back as an official HRH working member of the family and would lose some respect for the family if they allowed it to happen.
If she is content to be kept by Andrew and to keep her mouth shut I see no reason for her not to continue as they are, although I do wish she were seen less often in public with her daughters or her ex husband because I do believe that damages their images.
If she ever did really want to make an independent life for herself she should have stayed in the US where she seems to still have some measure of popularity and acceptance.
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Old 08-25-2013, 03:30 PM
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I think it would be amazing to see this couple back together having overcome all of the past ugliness.


And I'd wager people would get over it and get used to it, just as they have with the Duchess of Cornwall, who has proven to be an asset to the family.
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Old 08-25-2013, 03:39 PM
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I think if this story proves accurate it will actually help their respective images, and the RF as a whole. The majority of comments on the stories, even on The Daily Mail, are very positive (though there are plenty of negative ones too, as to be expected with all things royal) with most people saying 'It's happily ever after time' or 'Go for it Andy!' or 'They always loved each other' or 'That's true love for you' and the like.

Love them or hate them this IS a good news story.
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As long as she does not become a working member of the BRF and he gives up all his public positions as a member of the BRF they can go ahead and marry, but my personal belief is that she is the same person she was in 1986 and in 1992 and has not changed at all or learned anything from her past except to expect Andrew and friends to always be there to bail her out. I do not want her back as an official HRH working member of the family and would lose some respect for the family if they allowed it to happen.
If she is content to be kept by Andrew and to keep her mouth shut I see no reason for her not to continue as they are, although I do wish she were seen less often in public with her daughters or her ex husband because I do believe that damages their images.
If she ever did really want to make an independent life for herself she should have stayed in the US where she seems to still have some measure of popularity and acceptance.
She's accepted in the US, but mostly forgotten, I think. The cash-for-access scandal was the last time I recall seeing or hearing anything about her in the US media. I don't really see her being much of a draw for anyone.

I think remarrying might be a good idea - not only because I think it would be nice for them to find happiness together again, but also because I think having her back in the royal family fold might provide her with some stability that would hopefully keep her a bit steadier.
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:01 PM
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Much as I dislike this woman, I guess if they are still in love, then they should get back together.
It may be the start of the Duke of York's withdrawal from public life, and an increase in the profile of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie?
As I'm a bit of a novice to the forum, I'd like to see the evidence of the Duke of Edinburgh's disdain for Fergie - I find it difficult to imagine that she would be invited to the annual holiday in Balmoral if he harbours an intense dislike for her, especially when it is his first trip after his recent illness.
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I think if this story proves accurate it will actually help their respective images, and the RF as a whole. The majority of comments on the stories, even on The Daily Mail, are very positive (though there are plenty of negative ones too, as to be expected with all things royal) with most people saying 'It's happily ever after time' or 'Go for it Andy!' or 'They always loved each other' or 'That's true love for you' and the like.

Love them or hate them this IS a good news story.
I noticed all the positive comments as well. I think it's because pretty much everyone thinks Andrew and Sarah are a good match, whether they like them or not. Overall, I think an Andrew-Sarah remarriage would be a good news story more than anything else. Afterwards, it would be back to the same old headlines, but I don't think that will change whether or not they remarry.

I actually think the Telegraph story is more speculation than anything else, in the sense that no actual remarriage is being planned. I think these stories are emerging because Sarah and Andrew spend so much time together that people are assuming they are a couple, and they aren't really going out of their way to change people's minds. (They were in India together in March; out to dinner together in April and July; at Balmoral this month and now apparently in Spain as a family.) So it makes sense that, even if some "friends" say nothing is going on, other "friends" might think it's "only a matter of time."
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Good Post Suztab. I have to agree
The Royal Family is not perfect and they all have their faults and all have made some mistakes and some have things to embarrass the Family. That what make them more Likeable In my opinion, They are all Humans like the rest of us and like any family they have their fair share of faults, Mistakes and Problems. They are not perfect. Royals going back many Centuries have all made mistakes or done things that embarrass the Royal Family and had some faults.

The only difference is that they are in the spotlight.
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Much as I dislike this woman, I guess if they are still in love, then they should get back together.
It may be the start of the Duke of York's withdrawal from public life, and an increase in the profile of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie?
As I'm a bit of a novice to the forum, I'd like to see the evidence of the Duke of Edinburgh's disdain for Fergie - I find it difficult to imagine that she would be invited to the annual holiday in Balmoral if he harbours an intense dislike for her, especially when it is his first trip after his recent illness.
Cheers.
I would like to know the full story between Sarah and Prince Philip also. It one thing no to like someone but some make seen that Philip has a intense hatred of Sarah.
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As I'm a bit of a novice to the forum, I'd like to see the evidence of the Duke of Edinburgh's disdain for Fergie - I find it difficult to imagine that she would be invited to the annual holiday in Balmoral if he harbours an intense dislike for her, especially when it is his first trip after his recent illness.
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Sarah was invited to Balmoral with Andrew for a weekend, I believe, before the DOE arrived.
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She's accepted in the US, but mostly forgotten, I think. The cash-for-access scandal was the last time I recall seeing or hearing anything about her in the US media. I don't really see her being much of a draw for anyone.

I think remarrying might be a good idea - not only because I think it would be nice for them to find happiness together again, but also because I think having her back in the royal family fold might provide her with some stability that would hopefully keep her a bit steadier.
Considering the scandals our politicians, military officers and bank CEO's manage to get involved in here in the US there is nothing Fergie has done or could do in the future that would match that. She does not even register on the "scandal-meter".
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Sarah was invited to Balmoral with Andrew for a weekend, I believe, before the DOE arrived.
Ah yes - thank-you - I've just read this article.
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C'mon, people. Sarah isn't Wallis Simpson, and even if she was this is no longer 1937 and Andrew isn't all that high in the succession anymore.

If Sarah and Andrew wish to resume their relationship (or have already done so) that is their right as two consenting adults. If they wish to get remarried - either with or without the Queen's approval - that is also their right, although legality does come into question if they do so without HM's approval.

If the Queen does consent to such a marriage then there is absolutely no reason to deny Sarah an HRH, prevent her from undertaking any royal duties should she wish to do so, have Andrew fade away from public life, or exile the two of them from Britain. As the Queen's cousins have shown, and for that matter as Anne has shown, it is entirely possible for an active royal to be married to someone who doesn't entirely embrace the royal life. As Camilla has shown it is entirely possible for a previously scandalous women to marry into the family and (with a good PR campaign of course) do well within it.

I don't know if this report is true and should be credited in any way, but if it is good for them. And, personally, if the two of them wanted to get married again and didn't simply because the DoE didn't approve then it's my opinion that the DoE needs to grow up a bit. No one's perfect, and standing in the way of your son's happiness is simply an immature move that can divide his family. He doesn't have to like Sarah, but he should respect that she's the mother of his grandchildren and (if these reports are true) the woman his son loves.
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